Just installed this on my Mini 4. Can any of you knowledgable people advise me of a controller and display to connect to this.
contact the place where you purchased it from. that's what I did when I upgraded. but I don't have the same model or motor as you.
I assume you have this motor and I have this one on my Rad Runner 2 - https://eunorau-ebike.com/products/bafang-fat-bike-48v1000w-rear-hub-screw-freewheel-motor
I recommend this which is on my wifes rad wagon and it is plug and play. You will need to get creative mounting the large controller box. - https://area13ebikes.com/products/radkit
Up to 1600 watts and way better climbing hills. Will use more battery obviously depending on how often you go full throttle.
My Rad Runner 2 has a setup built from parts at ebike.ca and it is way more geeky and more expensive. But the baserunner and phaserunner controllers are very small so mounting will be easier on the small mini frame. Rad Wagon is huge. They also have the motor on their site with the newer L10 motor cable. I would have bought the G62 motor from ebikes.ca but they did not sell it there 2 years ago. Sounds like you have the motor ready.
Good luck.
Does anybody have or know the pinouts on this motor plug? Have searched and can't find anything. Thanks
I have modified G062.1000.DC motor that has welded clutch, 8awg phase wiring, BT winding temp sensor, air and water cooling, reglued magnets etc.
Running 114A DC Peak current and 60v custom made battery so nearly 7000w Peak.
Polskicowboy, I have the later model Bafang G063 1000 Watt motor with the red plug connector. I have tried to run it with the KT 35 amp controller but it don?t like it.
Tony, what were the pinouts you used on this motor plug? (11pin L1121 plug and Bafang uses 9). I have the same motor and the same controller you are using (KT 35 amp) and this combo should be fine if wired correctly, I've contacted Bafang, Electro Bike world and haven't got info yet. You can wire this motor a few ways but really will only work correctly if wired right... So I have been told.
I'm using the KT 35a controller on my Rad Expand 5 with the stock motor and runs perfect.
I have used the 35 amp controller with the Bafang 250 and 750 motors and it works very well but as you are aware uses the push fit z916 connector. The G063 has the red L1121 plug that you show. I kept this plug screwed together and joined the end tail wires to connect into the 35 amp controller wires as they are the same corresponding colour and same amount of wires.
The GO63 will turn slowly and noisily then stops.
If you look at the loose tail end wires , there are 3 large and 6 small wires. Total 9 in use and are the same colour as the 35 amp controller
I would have to agree that the wiring is correct but it would nice to have the pinouts just to make sure. I would think this motor would be compatible as the G062 1000w is and Bafang as has discontinued G062 and replaced it with G063. Are you using the Bolton/Electro Bike World controller kit for RAD? once I get the pinouts from Bafang we can double check these, also make sure your settings are correct in the controller for that motor, just odd it's not working. Did you drop in this motor or lace it?
Thanks for the reply, I bought the motor new already laced into the wheel. I have checked through my settings but there could of course be something I am missing. Any suggestions of which settings to double check. ?
Are you using the Bolton/Electro Bike World controller kit for RAD?
Yes same controller
I went through the setting and I don't see anything that would effect the motor with the problem you are having, so to narrow this down some:
Check: Never rule out anything until you find the problem.
1. Motor to controller wiring (I will get pinout)
2. Controller Settings
3. Controller not compatible with motor or vice versa
4. Controller defective
5. Motor defective
6. Other defective parts, throttle?
I'm in the same boat as you are at this point but I haven't laced the motor yet, so I haven't done any testing. Once I get more info I will chime in here and let you know what I have found. Keep me posted.
Tony, can you put your stock motor on and test everything is still working? controllers can go bad from a number of things.
I have just swapped the wheel with the 750 motor back in and it still works with the 35 and controller . This would also rule out a throttle problem. I also had the opportunity to hook up to an identical G063 1000 watt bought at the same time, this behaved exactly the same. Throttles up slowly then cuts out. Looks like controller not communicating with motor. All 9 wires are the same colour but maybe don?t have the same function.
Here is the pinouts of a Bafang Controller, just seems really odd that that Bafang would change something from G062 to G063 that stop it from functioning correctly, from what I can tell from reading what's online, they changed the connector, the torque to 95nm(?) and the windings on mine indicate 5.5T I believe. I searched everywhere and can't find anyone with this motor and a controller combo.
Here is link to a controller that Bafang sells that is compatible with this motor, maybe this has info that might tell us what's going on. I have a adapter coming so I can test this motor on my bike and I can see if I get the same results. Have a great 4th!
https://bafang-e.com/en/oem-area/components/component/controller/cr-s3071000fc
Thanks for the pin out info, that may become useful. Especially if a diagram showing what the original Rad push fit Z916 connector pin outs are.
I was also looking at the Bafang controller CR S307.1000.FC with the red plug connector to fit the G063 you linked to but wondered about connecting the other wires to the Rad wiring. It will probably require its own display as well. Bafang have been no help replying to me at all.
Maybe try to find a wiring diagram of the 35 amp controller to see if the coloured wire functions match the pin outs you show.
You are right with the Bafang controller you would have to buy their display and probably would have to add connections to match the Rad or something. I still think that the Bolton controller could work. First the wires do not have to match the motor color to color, the phase wires can be moved around in 6 different combos, the 3 hall wires also can be moved around and do not have to match.
The only wires that should STAY color to color is the red, black and white, these wires should never change. Also if you find a combo that is working you WILL need to measure the amps under no load, should be around 1.5a or less. Here is a video that explains this better it's not that hard. There is more info out there on this and it has fixed a lot of motor to controller issues.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SttmrsIjiJc
Here is 2 links worth reading on wiring. If I have the same problem as you, this will be the method I will use to determine if this motor and controller combination will be compatible.
https://endless-sphere.com/sphere/threads/color-code-wire-designation-of-rear-hub-1000w-luna-motor.80402/
https://endless-sphere.com/sphere/threads/how-to-determine-the-wiring-for-a-brushless-motor.3484/
Here is official wiring diagram for z916 and L1019. These pinouts matches stock Rad and G062..Also 35A controller.
I have also sold number of custom controllers for G062 motor wired like this.
There is no purple in L1019. Grey is found only on controller side (thermistor). White is speed.
Quote from: JTK77 on July 04, 2023, 09:21:48 PM
Here is official wiring diagram for z916 and L1019. These pinouts matches stock Rad and G062..Also 35A controller.
I have also sold number of custom controllers for G062 motor wired like this.
There is no purple in L1019. Grey is found only on controller side (thermistor). White is speed.
The G062 1000 is working with the 35a Bolton controller but we are using the new G063 1000 and it's not working with the same controller,
spins up slowly and stops. So matching color to color doesn't work, something changed in the G063 just not sure what yet. The L1121 plug doesn't use pin 8 and 9 (Null), 5 is speed/thermister as per Bafang motor controller.
JTK, What controller and display are you using? might be an option.
Quote from: MachWon on July 05, 2023, 08:27:06 AM
Quote from: JTK77 on July 04, 2023, 09:21:48 PM
Here is official wiring diagram for z916 and L1019. These pinouts matches stock Rad and G062..Also 35A controller.
I have also sold number of custom controllers for G062 motor wired like this.
There is no purple in L1019. Grey is found only on controller side (thermistor). White is speed.
The G062 1000 is working with the 35a Bolton controller but we are using the new G063 1000 and it's not working with the same controller, spins up slowly and stops. So matching color to color doesn't work, something changed in the G063 just not sure what yet. The L1121 plug doesn't use pin 8 and 9 (Null), 5 is speed/thermister as per Bafang motor controller.
Yes but you should know what is what on controller side first in order to fix order on G063 motor side to match L1019. I would just open the motor and then match with L1019.
Quote from: MachWon on July 05, 2023, 08:52:46 AM
JTK, What controller and display are you using? might be an option.
Custom KT variant ordered from factory + LCD8h. These are 48 to 60v battery Compatible.
I'm running modified G062.1000.DC 60v 114A peak.
Yes but you should know what is what on controller side first in order to fix order on G063 motor side to match L1019. I would just open the motor and then match with L1019.
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Our plug on the controller side is a Julet Z916 and on the motor side is the L1121 and yes I agree the best way would to open up the motor and match phase and hall connections but that would also void my warranty and no return if you need to but as a last resort I will crack it open. There is nothing wrong with the methods I posted above it's an easy way to find out if the controller is compatible.
Quote from: MachWon on July 05, 2023, 02:31:32 PM
Yes but you should know what is what on controller side first in order to fix order on G063 motor side to match L1019. I would just open the motor and then match with L1019.
Our plug on the controller side is a
Julet Z916 and on the motor side is the
L1121 and yes I agree the best way would to open up the motor and match phase and hall connections but that would also void my warranty and no return if you need to but as a last resort I will crack it open. There is nothing wrong with the methods I posted above it's an easy way to find out if the controller is compatible.
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Thats why I posted the PIN map for z916 to L1019 conversion.
Regreasing the gears requires the motor case to be opened anyway but you could do that after verifying everything works ok.
Inside the motor pic.
Note there is very little grease on the gears.
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2023, 03:34:00 AM
Inside the motor pic.
Interesting. Is that really G063? PCB is labeled for front motor G020 series 250w.
Copper fill Factor seems quite low for 1000w motor 🤔
For comparison this is my modified 7kw Peak G0602.1000.DC motor.
Yep, that is packed. Easy to see that motors cam get a bit warm packed in like that.
Quote from: JTK77 on July 08, 2023, 04:14:30 AM
For comparison this is my modified 7kw Peak G0602.1000.DC motor.
Holly Molly what are the windings on your motor?
JTK77, regarding the diagram of the Z916 to L1019 connectors, thank you, Do you know what each coloured wire does ? We now know what these do from the L1121 that on the G063 motor MackWon posted .
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2023, 07:41:22 AM
JTK77, regarding the diagram of the Z916 to L1019 connectors, thank you, Do you know what each coloured wire does ? We now know what these do from the L1121 that on the G063 motor MackWon posted .
This picture is from Grin. Functions are correct and matches what is used in Bafang motors G060 & 062 series atlest. Wire colors them selves do not always match. I have worked with number of Z916 and L10 wirings and there are not much but some variation. Best to match known connector PIN function with motor side.
I would just open motor side cover and map continuity between hall and phase pins to connector. Opening cover leaves no mark and should not avoid warranty anyways.
Quote from: MachWon on July 08, 2023, 06:52:27 AM
Quote from: JTK77 on July 08, 2023, 04:14:30 AM
For comparison this is my modified 7kw Peak G0602.1000.DC motor.
Holly Molly what are the windings on your motor?
Windings them selves are stock multistrand 15*0.6mm 6T used in G062.1000 motor.
Phase wirings are upgraded 8awg. Motor has welded clutch, water and air cooling, Bluetooth winding temp logging system, reglued rotor magnets etc. Motor connector L10 + MT60 + Higo mini B.
Anyone found a diagram showing blue, yellow, green wires in the KT controller functions?
Tony, I'm kind of with JTK77 on this, It just seems odd to have a PCB (FM G020250) for a Bafang front hub in a rear hub motor. I know you tested 2 of these motors and got the same results but even the windings look like a front hub motor, I spent some time looking at a lot teardowns of the G060, G062 and never saw the windings like yours, I could be wrong and maybe this is Bafang's new design. I got a copy of the new Bafang 2024 workbook and matched these 2 motor specs, the NEW 550 front and 550 rear, see what you think it's just food for thought. I'm waiting on a plug to arrive so I can do my own testing soon. Also what's interesting is the front hub motor has the throttle listed as N/A.
Just checked the dimensions of my motor and they are the same as the G063. 1000 WATT H550 rear you posted. If you look up the G063 motor on Bafang website, you can click on (Dealer Manual) at the bottom which links you to the G062 motor instructions.
I know the G062 and 63 have the same casing and your motor matches both but the new Bafang front motor FM.G0200.250.DM is close and the internals probably fit.
I guess my question is:
1. Why do you have a PCB for your hall sensors that is for a front motor 250w (FM G020.250.DM)? maybe these internals are from a Bafang front motor?
2. Why do your windings look like a 250w front motor and all the 1000w motors I looked at looked like JTK77 G062?.
Is there any other markings inside your motor area that we could reference it to the G063.1000?
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2023, 03:34:58 AM
Note there is very little grease on the gears.
Slight side question: I?m about to replace my planetary gears, tomorrow.
I got some mobile 28 to grease them.
How much grease should I CC put on them And where shall I grease?
Like just the teeth sparingly, or everywhere abundantly?
Thanks!
Quote from: Omidia Ramin on July 10, 2023, 07:49:59 PM
Quote from: Tony on July 08, 2023, 03:34:58 AM
Note there is very little grease on the gears.
Slight side question: I?m about to replace my planetary gears, tomorrow.
I got some mobile 28 to grease them.
How much grease should I CC put on them And where shall I grease?
Like just the teeth sparingly, or everywhere abundantly?
Thanks!
Just on the gears is fine, I have done them this way and looked fine a year later, no need to over do it.
Soon ready to rock. 7kw peak.
Hi, just wondering if anyone was able to actually find the aforementioned Bafang S307 1000w controller for sale anywhere? I haven't been able to find it online anywhere at all other than the Bafang stats page for the product.
I have had zero replies from Bafang, just like Rad they are a shambles.
Quote from: Tony on August 18, 2023, 03:17:19 PM
I have had zero replies from Bafang, just like Rad they are a shambles.
The stator looks alot like on fitted in G063. G063 has wider gap between motor and casing but seems Bafang has maybe started using same core on both (G032&G062) motors. Difference between G062 & G063 seems to be different sizing in reduction gear system.