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Discussions by Rad Model => RadRunner => Topic started by: Groffice on March 09, 2021, 08:27:59 AM

Title: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: Groffice on March 09, 2021, 08:27:59 AM
I ask because I tried to this weekend and it seems the motor on the RR Plus is a different motor than the other models in that the cable exits the motor on the brake side and not the gear side.

This makes the replacement 750 watt Bafang motor I bought incompatible with the stock setup.

Can't wait to hear from you Rad dudes!
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: elmo1888 on March 14, 2021, 02:09:39 PM
Yes, it looks that way.  Just got my RR+ a few weeks ago and the motor I ordered won't work.  But just the controller upgrade made a huge difference already.
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: robzkombi on March 21, 2021, 05:32:05 AM
Yes, it looks that way.  Just got my RR+ a few weeks ago and the motor I ordered won't work.  But just the controller upgrade made a huge difference already.
This controller upgrade you speak of, what does it improve? and what company did you buy from?
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: elmo1888 on March 21, 2021, 11:05:22 AM
Yes, it looks that way.  Just got my RR+ a few weeks ago and the motor I ordered won't work.  But just the controller upgrade made a huge difference already.
This controller upgrade you speak of, what does it improve? and what company did you buy from?

The Bolton 35A controller.  It delivers about 2.5x the power to the motor.
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: robzkombi on March 22, 2021, 06:46:52 AM
Ohhh 2.5x, nice. Looks like I will be making a future purchase from Bolton.

We went out on a couple of rides this past weekend and for some reason the Rover 5's seem to be faster. My son and his friend where on the Rover 5's and I was on the Runner Plus and they would just fly by me..I went into the settings and the wheel diameter that was selected was at 22 and not 20. I wonder how this selection affects the speed of this bike.  Gonna call Rad Power later today and see what they say.

Thanks for the info on the controller!

Just checked with Bolton and the upgrade kit is out of stock. Hope they stock 'em up soon.
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: FortunatelyTheMilk on March 25, 2021, 10:38:46 AM
Wheel size measured the diameter of the tyre and the wheel, so even if the RR has a 20" wheel, it's closer to a 24" total outside diameter. A different setting will cause the speedometer an odometer to under/over read.

The stock RR controller is good for about 19A continuous output, or about 350W, the Rover outputs closer to 750W. 
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: robzkombi on March 26, 2021, 08:03:56 AM
That makes sense. If I remember correctly I believe the settings on our Rover 5 one was set at 26 and the other at 28. This weekend I'll compare speed with GPS and see what setting is best. 

On another note, I just ordered the 35A controller for the Runner Plus, I hope there is a noticeable difference, if there is then I'll go ahead and replace the controllers on all our bikes.
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: Hbomb on June 09, 2021, 08:17:32 PM
Will this motor found in Ali express be compatible with the radrunner  plus? Looks like the wire exits in the brake side.

 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001307992593.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001307992593.html)
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: chrias on June 10, 2021, 07:51:09 AM
Will this motor found in Ali express be compatible with the radrunner  plus? Looks like the wire exits in the brake side.

 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001307992593.html (https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4001307992593.html)

That is a 1000w motor and I'm pretty sure it won't fit in the 500w/750w casing.
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: chrias on June 10, 2021, 07:54:13 AM
Yes, it looks that way.  Just got my RR+ a few weeks ago and the motor I ordered won't work.  But just the controller upgrade made a huge difference already.
This controller upgrade you speak of, what does it improve? and what company did you buy from?

It will greatly improve the torque of the RR+. You will get across the intersection quicker on full throttle and it's hill climbing abilities will be effortless.
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: JoseM on July 21, 2021, 06:28:41 AM
Hey all! Do you have a link to what you purchased? Im on bolton now and its likely out of stock but the only one that specifies Rad is the one WITHOUT the taillight function. However, I believe biggamebikes has solved that problem already.
Most chatter on this topic is about a year old, so im sure there's some new stuff by now.
anyway, just looking to get the most out of my runner plus and I want to make sure I buy the right kit
much appreciated!
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: JoseM on August 25, 2021, 10:37:13 AM
I actually did this, also found the same problem as the 750 motor isn't compatible.
So I purchased from Eunorau 48v 1000W Bafang motor with the cable on the rotor side. (the same motor linked earlier in the thread RM G062.1000.D)

I was about to begin my install and realized the "1000W" is smaller then the 750W motor I just attempted to install. Any insight on this? its similar to the stock rad motor In size and perhaps just peaks at 1000w?
Anyway I went down a rabbit hole and ended up trying to install the 750W motor with the 1000W motor housing, had to nip and tuck some wires. Ultimately, the 750 W motor spun backwards. Which I anticipated, however after reading some forums I was under the impression I could swap any two of the larger wires inside the connector and it would reverse the direction. That didn't work.
So basically we scrapped the whole project, luckily I never touched my stock motor. So who cares right?

IM back to square one and im thinking of purchasing the 1000W motor AGAIN and trying just to swap the internals. As I mentioned they are small enough, it should fit into the existing housing. But im going to take a break from failed projects for a couple days do some reading and most likely attempt to install the 1000W motor I already have. (except I cut off the connector to use on the 750w motor, that will have to be addressed)

Long story short, why is the 1000W smaller then the 750W? Does that matter?
If there's a possibity I was wrong and the 1000W Bafang motor is indeed a true 1000W ill gladly fix it and try again or purchase a new one.
It just seems unlikely as the technology looks the same, and its significantly smaller then the 750.

excuse me for being long winded.
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: RogueBolo on August 30, 2021, 05:17:56 PM
Long story short, why is the 1000W smaller then the 750W? Does that matter?
If there's a possibity I was wrong and the 1000W Bafang motor is indeed a true 1000W ill gladly fix it and try again or purchase a new one.
It just seems unlikely as the technology looks the same, and its significantly smaller then the 750.

excuse me for being long winded.
If stock housing and the 1000W innards physically fit together it is worth trying again, it is a much better motor. I ran one on a Rover until I switched to a Runner Plus recently. More torque and RPM than the stock Runner motor and it is rated to 1000W continuous.
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: RogueBolo on August 30, 2021, 06:13:42 PM
I switched out the wheelset to the Bafang G0F0.750.DC. https://bafang-e.com/en/oem-area/components/component/motor/rm-g0f05007501000ddc/

The rims are a bit wider I assume more like a mini, the stock tires are more low profile than stock now.  Using the EggRider to open up the stock controller I've been able to easily reach 28.5 mph including while going up a modest hill. The wheels are as true, as true can be and have no wobble or vibration at speed. The built-in speed limiting of the stock controller is preventing me from going faster. I can reach 30 mph pedaling hard but the power drops as I get nearer to 30.  Unloaded wheel off the group max speed is 30 mph with both 48v and 52V batteries. I am going to be trying out some different controllers shortly to free up the trapped speed.

The new motor did cause the stock display to have problems measuring speed. The EggRider switched to Rx/Tx reverse mode to compensate.
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: 992023515 on August 31, 2021, 08:05:24 PM
Wow, I really like those wheels. Going to have to do some research to see if they will fit the RR1.

Nice upgrade!!!!
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: ryan_lozo on September 22, 2021, 12:07:10 PM
Yes, it looks that way.  Just got my RR+ a few weeks ago and the motor I ordered won't work.  But just the controller upgrade made a huge difference already.
This controller upgrade you speak of, what does it improve? and what company did you buy from?

It will greatly improve the torque of the RR+. You will get across the intersection quicker on full throttle and it's hill climbing abilities will be effortless.

This sounds like a great upgrade, my only concern is where the controller would mount on the RR+? Pictures on Bolton show it mounting where the battery is housed so I'm not sure how it would be compatible for that specific rad model.
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: Ray.Marx.67@gmail.com on December 26, 2021, 09:31:58 PM
Wow, I really like those wheels. Going to have to do some research to see if they will fit the RR1.

Nice upgrade!!!!

For RR1 you'll want the G060 motors for RR+ G062 has the proper wiring from what I have found. The RR1 and most RPBs all use the left side wired 060 motor whereas the RR+ and maybe the new '21 models use the 062 right side wiring. The 062-750W is the direct replacement to make it a real 750W and the 1000W supposed to require a redo of the wheels. At least with the RR1 it might, the RR+ maybe not. Check your cabeling.
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: Jttoddy on December 31, 2021, 06:28:27 AM
If you have the Bolton Controller upgrade you set the motor to run in the opposite direction via one of the "c" settings.
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: Radding Along on January 03, 2022, 09:45:33 AM
Old thread, but commenting for future viewing.

 The Runner wiring can be moved to the other side of the bike to accommodate the power wire coming out of the opposite side of the replacement wheel. Snip the zip ties, move the wire to the other side and zip it down.
Title: Re: Has anyone upgraded their Radrunner Plus motor?
Post by: ssleeis on March 07, 2023, 04:44:26 PM
So I been looking for a replacement motor for my sons rad runner plus. He shared off the key way that holds the planetary gears in place. Not sure how that happened but also grind it down the driveshaft itself so on fixable. I?ve been looking just to replace it. Unfortunately they do not make the 500W version. Purchased one from the beginning of this post the 750W.
https://eunorau-ebike.com/products/bafang-g062-fat-tire-48v750w-rear-hub-screw-freewheel-motor?variant=43492447584512
My question was if anyone knew if I absolutely need to have a controller or could I just do a swap with the radrunner plus controller? Thanks let me know if anyone has an idea.