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Title: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Ryan on July 20, 2021, 05:07:37 AM
Rad just released a new model for 2021, the RadRover 6 Plus. Curious to hear what people think: https://bit.ly/3isowrU

Here's our coverage of the new model: https://ebikeescape.com/radrover-6-plus/
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: JimInPT on July 20, 2021, 07:31:53 AM
I just watched their intro video, even though I'm happy with my MiniST and have no interest in a giant Rover; was curious to see what's new and likely to appear on other models.

My conclusion is whether hydraulic brakes are worth another $300 to a potential buyer - are there any other real improvements to consider?  "Sleek" isn't worth $300, especially since there's no improvement in standard battery capacity, weight capacity or most other things.  I'm thinking they have optional higher-capacity batteries in the works, at a "slight" additional cost of course - the mount location seems to have allowed for much-thicker battery packs.  I was assuming the next product line refresh would include higher-capacity batteries standard, as competitors are pushing out 18-20Ah battery packs for longer range. 

And that USB dongle?  It's no longer built into the display and is an optional accessory at added cost?  Yeah, those won't be stolen or vandalized.  I'd bet those were cooked up by the design team when they switched displays and the Chinese supplier didn't include a USB outlet in their design; the dongle is a step backwards.  Happy to see they've apparently improved the display and added a clock/timer function and separate headlight button; looking forward to seeing if the power timeout/cutoff is now adjustable or able to be turned off - drives me nuts when my trip odometer is cleared during a 10-minute stop that drains almost no battery power, because I log my trip distances.  And I assume with the new battery design they've finally fixed the problem of one blank key being able to unlock and steal the battery from any current Rad model. 

It looks nice and I'm pretty sure will be well-liked by owners, but is it enough to compete with other brands in the same sector, especially now that it's $2,000?  We'll see.  I'm wondering if Rad had more in mind but with supply-chain problems, the China Virus and Potato Joe's inflation maybe more wasn't possible in the planned schedule and budget.

I expect slurping reviews from the usual suspects, but looking forward to Citizen Cycle's video and those from actual owners who shelled out their own money.  Yeah, I'm initially a bit skeptical and grumpy, but I've come from an environment where our products went obsolete every 9-12 months and we had to hustle and work hard to be competitive and best in our sector with constant improvements and better customer value.

Nice to see Rad moving forward, though.  Now, what did I miss that makes the new model exciting and desirable?
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Altema on July 20, 2021, 01:26:34 PM
The hydraulic brakes were needed. Even though the originals work ok, it's a pain adjusting them every week.
They had to integrate the battery eventually. Although the shark battery is easy to upgrade, you still need to change the mounting plate which makes the original battery useless. The external battery was also a key point that every reviewer dinged them on, so it was time. The new controls are a big step forward, as is the ten segment battery meter. I would have preferred they put in an actual percent and voltage meter  though, and I hope they fixed the trip meter resetting every time you take a break.
I'm looking forward to performance testing, though they only needed to up the amps and claim "750 watts" nominal, while skirting the law with more peak power like everyone else. The stock Rad motor already handles 1600 watts anyways, but the controller holds it back. I also hope the controller programming is silky smooth like usual. I've ridden far more expensive bikes and e-mopeds, and the programming and controls were downright jerky and crude.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: CG31 on July 20, 2021, 05:25:41 PM
So this time last year I ordered 2 Radrovers for 1400 each. Now they are 2000 each which is 1200 more than I spent. This would have ruled me out.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Ryan on July 20, 2021, 06:08:53 PM
I shared some of my thoughts here: https://youtu.be/l6pP5Rt2S5U

I am slightly bummed about the USB dongle but to be honest I don't use it a whole lot. We'll see how much more the RadRover 6 Plus pulls up hills. I do like the more modern displays though and I really do enjoy hydraulic brakes. I've spent a fair bit of time trying to get the mechanical ones perfect. What's going to be interesting is to see what else comes out in the $2kish range. The fat tire ebike market is already saturated. The Aventon Aventure of course comes to mind at $100 cheaper.

Altema - I talked about the 750-watt limit in my video above. I just wish the rules were more clear. It seems like Rad takes an absolute on the 750 watts but clearly, other manufacturers don't. Though to be fair 750 watts is actually enough power for a majority of riders.

CG31- It's funny that you say that since I was just starting to think that the demographic buying the most ebikes aren't as price-sensitive (I certainly am).
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: jbfoster on July 20, 2021, 09:42:22 PM
Glad I got my Rover 5 when I did. $2,000 is a deal breaker for me. A lot of things that I have bought and shopped for since covid hit has gone up. To me these companies are just screwing the customer over raising prices. All I hear is covid covid covid. My answer to that is BS.

Jim
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: ericwn on July 21, 2021, 04:35:14 AM
Looks like way better disc brakes and much nicer displays and buttons- some of the main interface elements.

It somehow has a new and different look to it and I don’t necessarily associate that with the Rad brand. Maybe we just need more models being brought over onto this new platform to get used to it more.


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Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: JimInPT on July 21, 2021, 03:37:01 PM
Looks like way better disc brakes and much nicer displays and buttons- some of the main interface elements.

I think the brake upgrade is the most-meaningful improvement, but can't hydraulic brakes can be retrofitted to the current models, with aftermarket parts, if desired?  It is a nicer-looking overall design, for sure.

The bigger control buttons and separating out the power and headlight functions may be an advantage, especially with full gloves in colder weather, but I don't see the point in having to use two displays to see what's currently available on a single display (except for the new clock functions) and the smaller one takes up a lot more handlebar space than the current remote.  EBR pointed out that the smaller display is dimmer than the large one, but waved that flaw away as he usually does and if I saw it correctly it now takes simultaneous pressing of two buttons to toggle between the lifetime odometer and trip odometer - that's not better at all IMHO.  Is there any level-with-horizon space even available for a phone or camera mount, or a functional headlight?

It also seems, if I have it right after watching a couple videos, that Rad has locked-down the controller to limit top motor speed to 20mph, whereas my Mini was tweaked to about 24mph (from 32 to 40km/hr) with a quick setting change shortly after I got it assembled.  And no improvement in the battery capacity at all strikes me as a significant missed opportunity.  Bolton, Himiway and others with more powerful bike designs and tweak-friendly interfaces may have a market opportunity here, especially if these changes spread to the other Rad models, but I'm still very happy with my MiniST and Rad's customer service so I'm content to watch from the sidelines as I'm always interested in business competition and development.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Altema on July 23, 2021, 11:22:38 PM
I shared some of my thoughts here: https://youtu.be/l6pP5Rt2S5U

I am slightly bummed about the USB dongle but to be honest I don't use it a whole lot. We'll see how much more the RadRover 6 Plus pulls up hills. I do like the more modern displays though and I really do enjoy hydraulic brakes. I've spent a fair bit of time trying to get the mechanical ones perfect. What's going to be interesting is to see what else comes out in the $2kish range. The fat tire ebike market is already saturated. The Aventon Aventure of course comes to mind at $100 cheaper.

Altema - I talked about the 750-watt limit in my video above. I just wish the rules were more clear. It seems like Rad takes an absolute on the 750 watts but clearly, other manufacturers don't. Though to be fair 750 watts is actually enough power for a majority of riders.

CG31- It's funny that you say that since I was just starting to think that the demographic buying the most ebikes aren't as price-sensitive (I certainly am).

The USB dongle is a bummer for me, and I did use it. Being on the display, I could easily charge my phone, my rearview camera screen, and I could run my GoPro camera indefinitely. The Cycle Analyst display has no USB output, so I replaced the hollow metal tube for my handlebar extension I use for accessories, and replaced it with a same diameter power bank.

The 750 watts is usually enough power for most. Being able to set my power levels, I was able to draw some conclusions on the common e-bike power levels.
250 watts: Adequate for 15mph, but 20 mph can be reached with pedaling. Not adequate for hills.
350 watts: 20mph can be maintained on flat ground, needs help going uphill.
500 watts: 20mph is no problem, even on slight inclines. Most hills can be manageable, but avoid long or very steep grades using throttle only.
750 watts: 20mph with slight inclines and a headwind are not a problem. Hills on normal bike paths can be done n throttle only, and pedaling up hills is only needed if you want to go faster.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Rickyboy on July 28, 2021, 01:02:07 PM
The hydraulic brakes were needed. Even though the originals work ok, it's a pain adjusting them every week.
They had to integrate the battery eventually. Although the shark battery is easy to upgrade, you still need to change the mounting plate which makes the original battery useless. The external battery was also a key point that every reviewer dinged them on, so it was time. The new controls are a big step forward, as is the ten segment battery meter. I would have preferred they put in an actual percent and voltage meter  though, and I hope they fixed the trip meter resetting every time you take a break.
I'm looking forward to performance testing, though they only needed to up the amps and claim "750 watts" nominal, while skirting the law with more peak power like everyone else. The stock Rad motor already handles 1600 watts anyways, but the controller holds it back. I also hope the controller programming is silky smooth like usual. I've ridden far more expensive bikes and e-mopeds, and the programming and controls were downright jerky and crude.
   Hi ... I'm a new member here on the forum and just recently purchased the Rad Rover 6 for both my wife and I.  The day previous to the release I ALMOST !!! bought the Rad 5.  So although the price had increased  { in my opinion not a whole lot } I was glad I waited a day. But I had no idea there was even a "6" going to be released. Nothing like getting the "latest and greatest" model available. My disappointed kicked in when I learned { before purchasing} that delivery wasn't going to happen until the fall. Oh well that's the breaks. My wife and I are getting "up there" ... me a retired motorcycle rider, at 67 yrs old and my wife not too far behind me. So we want to stay active and keep the juices flowing and can't wait to "get radding".  So in the meantime I'm reading everything Rad ... I want to purchase a couple of things to be ready for assembly, like a small torque wrench. I have a couple of large ones I use to torque car tires etc but nothing small. I also am trying to find out what size the pedal nuts are that need to be torqued so I can purchase the "crowfoot" attachment for the torque wrench.... Any suggestions?   Well happy "radding".
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: JimInPT on July 28, 2021, 04:29:28 PM
I want to purchase a couple of things to be ready for assembly, like a small torque wrench. I have a couple of large ones I use to torque car tires etc but nothing small. I also am trying to find out what size the pedal nuts are that need to be torqued so I can purchase the "crowfoot" attachment for the torque wrench.... Any suggestions?   Well happy "radding".

This is a VERY nice small torque wrench set:  https://amzn.to/37BS69q  They make 3 different finishes; I think this is the easiest to read for older eyes.

And since you won't be messing with pedals very often, this will do fine and fits various sizes:  https://amzn.to/3iCRQwY
Have fun!
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Rickyboy on July 29, 2021, 08:47:29 AM
I want to purchase a couple of things to be ready for assembly, like a small torque wrench. I have a couple of large ones I use to torque car tires etc but nothing small. I also am trying to find out what size the pedal nuts are that need to be torqued so I can purchase the "crowfoot" attachment for the torque wrench.... Any suggestions?   Well happy "radding".

This is a VERY nice small torque wrench set:  https://amzn.to/37BS69q  They make 3 different finishes; I think this is the easiest to read for older eyes.

And since you won't be messing with pedals very often, this will do fine and fits various sizes:  https://amzn.to/3iCRQwY

Have fun!
   Well I appreciate the help and suggestions Jim, but I'm going to have to look for a cheaper torque wrench. That's a little to rich for me.....being a pensioner on a fixed income and all. ... and unfortunately the the pedal wrench is out of stock apparently. But I do appreciate your help and suggestions. Do you happen to know the size needed for the pedals? I'd just buy the "crowfoot" attachment that will fit onto whichever torque wrench I end up buying.  Thanks again !!!
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: JimInPT on July 29, 2021, 10:30:35 AM
Well I appreciate the help and suggestions Jim, but I'm going to have to look for a cheaper torque wrench. That's a little to rich for me.....being a pensioner on a fixed income and all. ... and unfortunately the the pedal wrench is out of stock apparently. But I do appreciate your help and suggestions. Do you happen to know the size needed for the pedals? I'd just buy the "crowfoot" attachment that will fit onto whichever torque wrench I end up buying.  Thanks again !!!
You don't need to worry about the pedal torque; just tighten those suckers down hard.  An adjustable crescent  or an open-end wrench will work fine.  You'll need a low-range torque wrench now and then for handlebar bolts, accessories and other things that might break if overtightened, but can loosen up if not tightened down enough.  I couldn't find anything other than the one I linked to do those jobs properly, and it's very high quality for the price.  Have used it frequently, especially in the weeks after I got my bike, when I was constantly fiddling with handlebar and seatpost settings.  Maybe you could just borrow or rent one?
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: CG31 on August 02, 2021, 05:56:46 PM
Another thing I noticed that I don't particularly like is the taillight mounted to the rear fender. Now that may be fine but if you purchase the Rad rear rack now what. The previous version you could just remove the taillight and mount it on the rack with the provided cable extender.  I bet now you would have to purchase the taillight separate to mount it to the rack which IMO is a much better option.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: JimInPT on August 03, 2021, 04:46:17 PM
Another thing I noticed that I don't particularly like is the taillight mounted to the rear fender. Now that may be fine but if you purchase the Rad rear rack now what. The previous version you could just remove the taillight and mount it on the rack with the provided cable extender.  I bet now you would have to purchase the taillight separate to mount it to the rack which IMO is a much better option.

No, it's fine, at least with the factory rack.  Here's a pic:

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0799/9645/files/RoverFarmer_107_1100x.jpg)

One of those things you'd expect them to have figured out by now, and they did.  Haven't seen if there's a taillight-flashing mode like we have now.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: CG31 on August 04, 2021, 05:20:12 PM
JimInPT,
Thanks for posting. Do you know if you can mount a light to the rack of the RR6? I mean being able to connect it like the previous models. If not they really screwed that up. I guess you could mount a little kiddy license plate with your name on it.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: JimInPT on August 05, 2021, 08:12:53 AM
JimInPT,
Thanks for posting. Do you know if you can mount a light to the rack of the RR6? I mean being able to connect it like the previous models. If not they really screwed that up. I guess you could mount a little kiddy license plate with your name on it.

Don't know; they haven't shipped any bikes or racks yet.  However, I got one of these and absolutely love it - long battery life in quick-flash mode and except for charging I never have to touch it since it's motion-sensitive.  Very bright even in daylight; hung it under the seat strapped to the spring assembly, it flashes along with my MiniST's flashing rear light.  It's much better than you'd expect for the price.

https://amzn.to/3yGN4nY
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: cafrank on August 05, 2021, 12:20:58 PM
I live in San Diego county, I recently tested the RadRover 6 Plus on the trail along the coast at Mission Beach. I own a RadRover 5. My impression is limited by the relatively level trail which did not allow me to test the hill climbing ability. However, I rarely, if ever, need more hill climbing power even living near the coast in an area where the coastal hill roads and trails are the norm. I felt that the motor gearing is not as well integrated as on the 5 model, it was noticable to me. The 5 motor gearing is as smooth and silk. I don't like the elimination of the USB port and I don't like the dual display at all. The small display is almost impossible to see in the bright sunlight (it seems to have a dark coating). I don't want to look at two different displays, and do not need any more information, but not being able to see it in the sunlight is a deal breaker for me. I do like the more precise battery indicator, however, I ride my bike 20-30 miles every day and the battery indicator always shows more than half power when I get home so there is really never a reason to care about the reading, the battery is never going to run out in the course of a day. I do pedal most of the time and use pedal assist 1 and 2 mostly and 3 for faster speed. Peddling and conservative pedal assist conserves battery power but still it is unlikely that you will ever use all the battery power in a day's ride unless perhaps you are on the throttle all the time. The hydraulic brakes are effective but so are the disc brakes and will stop the bike the same. The over all feel of the bike int terms of maneuverability and ride is the same. I didn't find anyting compelling about the new 6 Plus, when considering the additional $300 price, which is a testament to the RadRover 5. If both were the same price I would probably buy the 6, however, I don't think I would pay $300 more for the 6 if  the 5 was still available. Either way, Rad bikes are awesome, the service is what it should be and more and you can't go wrong with either modle. If you don't already have a Rad then the 6 Plus has to be bought, it will put a smile on your face the first time you get out onto a trail.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: cafrank on August 05, 2021, 06:48:55 PM
Those of you that have a RadRover 5 know that in the settings for the display is a setting for speed that can be set to prevent the motor fromcutting out at 20 mph. Initially, when I first rode my bike the motot would cut out around close to 20 mph which was just a bit annoying. I adjusted the display setting and now the motor does not cut out at 23-24 mph which is the fastest I have ridden the bike since. It seems like a little thing but its not. Just that 3 or 4 mph is about all I ever need. Before, when the engine cut out at 20 mph or even a little shy of that, I didn't like the limit. So far, it sounds like the setting that allowed the speed change may have been eliminated in the new model. If anyone knows for sure, please post.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Rickyboy on August 06, 2021, 12:57:06 AM
Hello again,  My wife and I still have a while to go before we receive our new Rad Rover 6 plus bikes by the end of Sept / beginning of October.
 { if they're on time...fingers crossed.} But we're heading from our home soon, in the south Cariboo area of B.C. Canada for a visit down to the coast to see our "kids" and grandkids. While we're there in the Vancouver area we're headed into the big city of Vancouver to hopefully take a look at what we bought and if all goes well take a test spin on the new Rover 6. Can't wait !!! I feel like a kid at Christmas time.  But I'm not sure this test ride is a good thing or not. Will it drive the anxiousness to have our own bikes "in hand" ??  I sure hope their expected delivery time is what they say it is. Somehow I'm halfway expecting to be told that "due to covid" { because covid screws everything up } theres going to be a delay in getting your new Rad Rover 6 plus to you.  I expect to be one of the first in line to receive the new bikes, as it was released and
 {pre-ordered} The Very Next Day after "sleeping on it" and seeing and reading up on the R.R.5.. I'm sure there will be hundreds of us "first in line" folks who ordered the first day. So ya I have my fingers crossed we hit the timing right.     
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Mori55 on August 11, 2021, 05:39:49 PM
I ordered the 6 plus , but I’m really torn about maybe getting the Aventon Aventure. It seems to have a lot of features and no speed lock out and more powerful motor and bigger battery.
  Plus my local bike shop sells them which is a plus. But I also know Rad has great customer service. But I also live on the east coast and there is zero rad stores. Hard decision for me.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: CG31 on August 12, 2021, 06:33:00 AM
If a LBS sells the Adventure for the same price as the RR6, this should be a no-brainer.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Altema on August 20, 2021, 10:20:15 AM
If a LBS sells the Adventure for the same price as the RR6, this should be a no-brainer.
I would have to agree. As good as Rad's service may be at time, you can't beat being supported in person by a local shop (as long as they are competent).
Aventon's are nice, even if not the best at hills. I was riding casually and got passed by one by a lady in a hurry, and I was quite surprised that I had to hit the brakes on a steep uphill because she was struggling so much. Still, they are excellent bikes and very much worth the price. They can be reconfigured for Class 3 which is 20mph throttle and 28mph on pedal assist.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: RadJohn on August 20, 2021, 11:41:01 AM
...Aventon's are nice, even if not the best at hills..

Not surprising as 26" Avetons have an 8-Speed 12-32T Cassette while your Mini (or even a bone stock one) has a 7-Speed 11-34T Freewheel AND smaller diameter 20" wheels. The arguably "higher quality" components use by Aventon can't make up for the increased climbing ability offered by a 34 vs 32 tooth rear cog and smaller diameter wheels, simple physics.

While 99% of the distance I cover on my routine rides is relatively flat "MODE 1 or 2" type terrain, I often encounter al least one or two 1st gear, 750 Watt hills on most rides (western New York, ice age drumlin remnants and such). I was putting too much strain on my borderline knee(s) and getting off and pushing my first Rad, a Rover, too often so I got a RadMini 4 and was more than happy with the improvement, EASILY outclimbed the Rover. As presently equipped, Avetons would climb even worse than Rovers (again, the 32 vs 34-tooth rear cog thing).

If one lives in a flat place like Florida where they won't let you near the biggest hills around (the "gypsum mountains"), then extreme climbing ability really doesn't mean much and the Aventon should be Ok  but even so, its 12-tooth cog would result in a higher top end cadence RPM than with the 11 tooth one on a Rover,  and some people may not like that.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: jimk1963 on August 21, 2021, 02:30:34 PM
In San Diego, just picked up two RadRover 6 Plus Step-thru, charcoal. Ordering from the website - says they ship Sept 30. Call tech support - they also say Sept 30. I alerted sales staff that no one knows these bikes are in stock at the store, they just shrugged and said “corporate communications isn’t the best”. No one answers the phone at the SD location either, nor returns voicemail, so I just drove down there to see for myself. And there they were, two fully assembled RasRovers and I was told they had boxed versions as well, my choice.

So after getting it home, I can confirm that pressing Headlight + Down button, or HL + Up button, or Down + Up button, or Pwr + either Down or Up buttons, doesn’t open any hidden menu. Crap. So either Rad did lock down the power or there’s yet another hidden menu somewhere, just waiting for someone to figure it out and post it.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: JimInPT on August 22, 2021, 10:35:59 AM
In San Diego, just picked up two RadRover 6 Plus Step-thru, charcoal.

So after getting it home, I can confirm that pressing Headlight + Down button, or HL + Up button, or Down + Up button, or Pwr + either Down or Up buttons, doesn’t open any hidden menu. Crap. So either Rad did lock down the power or there’s yet another hidden menu somewhere, just waiting for someone to figure it out and post it.

You may be the first normal, non-reviewer, owner in the wild and it would be a great public service if you'd (start a seperate thread, maybe?) post your impressions and even a review as you get some miles on it to educate us.  In particular, I'd like to know what it's like living with two displays instead of one.

Thanks!
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: jimk1963 on August 22, 2021, 10:54:08 AM
In San Diego, just picked up two RadRover 6 Plus Step-thru, charcoal.

So after getting it home, I can confirm that pressing Headlight + Down button, or HL + Up button, or Down + Up button, or Pwr + either Down or Up buttons, doesn’t open any hidden menu. Crap. So either Rad did lock down the power or there’s yet another hidden menu somewhere, just waiting for someone to figure it out and post it.

You may be the first normal, non-reviewer, owner in the wild and it would be a great public service if you'd (start a seperate thread, maybe?) post your impressions and even a review as you get some miles on it to educate us.  In particular, I'd like to know what it's like living with two displays instead of one.

Thanks!

Hi Jim, I posted a Day One impressions thread, will update it as I do more riding. The two displays are just fine, my only complaint there is that the handlebar is too crowded, for example where am I going to mount a mirror… much less other items.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: JimInPT on August 22, 2021, 11:21:14 AM

Quote

Hi Jim, I posted a Day One impressions thread, will update it as I do more riding. The two displays are just fine, my only complaint there is that the handlebar is too crowded, for example where am I going to mount a mirror… much less other items.

Cool, thanks.  I got that impression about the handlebar, too.  I was able to add a phone mount and extra bell to my Mini bar, but ended up with a bar extension when I added another (real) headlight and camera mount; you'd probably have to do the same.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: dfyant on September 27, 2021, 08:52:27 PM
I bought a RR 6 plus and have owned two rad rovers prior to this.  The 6 has a big problem that made me try and return it.  It really can't go more than 20mph.  You can't reprogram it, there is no advanced menu (I tried and even spoke to Rad Power about it).

So the RR6 is 20% slower than the RR5.  There's no denying it or getting around it.  it costs more and goes slower :(

The best Rad Power could tell me is that maybe in the future there will be someone who develops and after market display for it that could be programmable.  So basically, I went from 24.3mph to 20.0 and paid extra for that!

I wish I had know and bought a Juiced bike instead!!!!!!
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Mori55 on September 28, 2021, 03:20:20 AM
Yes you can program it to 25 mph. It’s on this forum how to do it.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: JimInPT on September 28, 2021, 12:43:22 PM
As Mori said, Ryan (this forum's owner) may have been the first to figure out how to access the hidden settings to enable 40 kph (about 25 mph).  He did a post on the forum here of his YouTube vid showing how to do it.  It's easy.

I'm happy with my MiniST but glad to hear this capability wasn't completely dyked off the new models.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: JDBUTZ1 @AOL.COM on October 25, 2021, 04:24:55 AM
I bought  a rad rover 6 plus in July  and received it in September  and still doesn't  work  code 30 I don't  even have a mile on it they sent wire harness  and controler and still didn't  work now they want to send a display  but there are  two displays  on the 6 plus is there any way to get my money  back by the time I get it fixed  the warranty  will be up I won't  buy another  one I have a himiway  cruiser  for over a year with no problems
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Kuberax on November 15, 2021, 10:03:52 AM
Hi all. New to this site, and new to e-bikes. I just bought the Radrover 6 Plus yesterday and took it for a quick 10 mile ride. First I'll say that I've been researching the Rad bikes for awhile after renting one. I was going to buy the Rover 5 a few months back, but then the 6 came out and I chose to go this route. I love the look of this bike.

One concern was that I bought the Radrunner Plus for my wife and it would have been nice to have interchangeable batteries, in case I wanted to go for a longer ride in the hills by myself and I could carry the spare in a pack, but honestly, I don't know if I'll ever go for a ride that long, so the concern was minimal.

We both like the screen on the Rover 6 better than the older one. It just looks bigger and brighter. We also love the battery indicator on the actual battery. Something of note, the old batteries could be locked to not be active. The new batteries do not have that feature.

Also, I've seen people talking about speed limitations here, but I'll say that when I did a test ride at the dealership, I easily got the speedometer up to 24, but it was a combo of throttle and pedaling. I haven't tried since getting mine home, so I don't know if something was unlocked on the test ride model, but I can't imagine they would do that with bikes they are putting rookies on.

I'll post more thoughts as I spend more time with it. I'm really looking forward to more trail riding.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Mori55 on November 15, 2021, 03:47:14 PM
There’s a video on here on how to unlock it. When you into settings to do it you’ll be able to tell. I can do 25 without pedaling if I want. And I’m a big guy.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Soweco on November 20, 2021, 07:21:42 PM
Sheesh. I’ve only had mine for three days and not sure I want to go much faster than 20, except for the occasional smooth downhill run.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Altema on November 21, 2021, 11:59:51 AM
Yes you can program it to 25 mph. It’s on this forum how to do it.
Yes, Ryan shows us how to do it in his review.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Gecko on December 01, 2021, 07:52:35 AM
Yes you can program it to 25 mph. It’s on this forum how to do it.
Yes, Ryan shows us how to do it in his review.

It has apparently been disabled; mine (shipped mid-Nov) flashes "1d" on the screen when you try to change the limit.  Too bad as I run up against the cut-off regularly while riding.
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Ryan on January 15, 2022, 12:05:22 PM
Yes you can program it to 25 mph. It’s on this forum how to do it.
Yes, Ryan shows us how to do it in his review.

It has apparently been disabled; mine (shipped mid-Nov) flashes "1d" on the screen when you try to change the limit.  Too bad as I run up against the cut-off regularly while riding.

Here are the instructions (be sure to follow them carefully): https://ebikeescape.com/rad-plus-models-top-speed-unlock/
Title: Re: RadRover 6 Plus!
Post by: Eric7 on January 15, 2022, 02:29:27 PM
$2000 is a bit much for a bike for me especially with changing technology. At that price range, your options open up. I am glad I got my Rad Mini Step Thru at a low price and with a deal.  At the price back then, the bike was the only option and I was just getting in so I did not want to spend a lot of money on something I might not take to.  I am very happy with my purchase and the money I got to keep in the bank.

I don't see ebikes as long term investments.  It is a rapidly changing field and things are getting better all the time so I am just going to get a bike good enough for my needs.  I'll spend the extra money on another battery if I have to.  Then I'll wait 5 years and buy the next technological leap.  Even with no leap, the technology will mature with better and more reliable parts.

It is a 750 watt bike with a 5:1 geared hub and a 14aHr battery at a nominal 48 volts with a controller that is limited to a certain amperage.  There is no magic.  Maybe the power comes on sooner - less of a lag.  I just don't see how something can suddenly have say, 20% more torque.  Maybe the motor is more efficient, but 20% more efficient? With the power limited to a battery, even if you get more performance, it will come at the expense of some range.

I can see how a hydraulic brake may be worth it for some but not for me.  Adjusting the brakes every month is not a big chore for me but maybe it is for someone who uses the bike as a commuter.  I am not riding in such an extreme style that I need every oz of braking performance. I rather spend the money on a professional bike repair stand (which I have) so I can do monthly bike inspections in comfort. Or I can buy another battery. 

I don't want to invest too much on a bike I know I'll stop using in 5 years.