Just bought a RadRover Fat Bike. Fenders are out of stock until the end of the month but I thought the best first accessory might be a Bike Lock. Because of the frame shape I wonder if I will still be able to mount some form of a U-Lock on the bike? Where on the bike will it fit? Is this the best idea or do you have other thoughts?
Also, I see that rear bike racks are out of stock also until month end. RadPower comments that it's only been tested with their rack but I wonder if I am limited to their rack or will other third party racks fit the bike? For example, I am wondering about https://amzn.to/3dB1kpp for example?
Bob
Congrats, you're going to love it! I know some Kryptonite locks come with a mounting adapter. Not sure if it will work for you but worth looking into. Here is one example: https://amzn.to/2XoR90z (https://amzn.to/2XoR90z)
They call it their Transit Flex Frame Bracket system. Here is a YouTube video showing how it works and some of the mounting options: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyHN1vRkyOQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyHN1vRkyOQ)
I've seen some folks attach it to their rear racks as well and you could secure it with some velcro. We typically just put our lock in a crate or in our backpack though we have a Rad Wagon. I've been really happy with this lock: https://amzn.to/2IpZngv (https://amzn.to/2IpZngv)
Hopefully a Rad Rover owner can chime in here but I believe some folks have had success with the Ibera racks.
I bought a Topeak rack and bag, you can see pics in the "Pride and Joy" section. I am no expert on the Ibera but I have seen people install the I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT9MBytHuOI)B-RA5 on Radrovers. I chose mine because the bottom mounts have multiple positions which allowed me to set the rack further back away from the seat. Welcome to the forum!
I forgot to add, If you have 2019 Radrover with the wired tail light, you will need an extension cable for it. This should be the one...it's the blue one with 4 pins
https://amzn.to/3dOLJSY
Thanks Radillac. Adding the links here as well.
Rear rack that works with the Rad Rover (note an issue with the image, wrong rack pictured on Amazon):
Topeak Uni Super Tourist Fat Disc Frame Mounted Bicycle Rack
https://amzn.to/2XYSsAx (https://amzn.to/2XYSsAx)
Info from Topeak on the rack:
https://www.topeak.com/global/de/products/fat-bike-racks/831-uni-super-tourist-fat (https://www.topeak.com/global/de/products/fat-bike-racks/831-uni-super-tourist-fat)
Rear bag:
https://amzn.to/2FiTjEI (https://amzn.to/2FiTjEI)
If you care about properly locking your bike with the front wheel, a U lock won't work because the tires are too wide. You might want to go with a chain style lock.
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Checkout
https://electricbikereview.com/forum/threads/how-to-securely-lock-and-fully-protect-your-electric-bike-accessories.22743/
And you can buy the U locks that are wider and bigger for a fat tire bike.
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Kryptonite New York LS U-Lock, 7-foot Kyptonite cable to loop through both wheels and back to U-Lock. I also use a 2-foot cable to my seat. I carry it all on my rack with bungees, work flawlessly.
Here are the links from Amazon for those interested:
Lock: https://amzn.to/2ZJVGYE (https://amzn.to/2ZJVGYE)
Cable: https://amzn.to/2ZQqqXX (https://amzn.to/2ZQqqXX)
We're still using are utility lock as shared above which has been perfect. I like the fact that the length adjusts though we do live in an area with low chance of bike theft.
Quote from: smt659 on September 04, 2019, 12:50:59 PM
Kryptonite New York LS U-Lock, 7-foot Kyptonite cable to loop through both wheels and back to U-Lock. I also use a 2-foot cable to my seat. I carry it all on my rack with bungees, work flawlessly.
Bought this to be used with my foldable lock:
https://youtu.be/3KKTehPazgA
Not much experience yet but gives a lot more piece of mind than if I just used the foldable / U lock alone.
Quote from: fin_rad on April 05, 2020, 10:43:51 AM
Bought this to be used with my foldable lock:
https://youtu.be/3KKTehPazgA
Not much experience yet but gives a lot more piece of mind than if I just used the foldable / U lock alone.
Nice! I've seen similar ones before but have yet to dig into the options. He brings up a good point that you don't necessarily want it going off if someone bumps into it. There are several motion alarms on the market that I've considered for my RadWagon. Though those might be easier to arm and leave attached to the seatpost or handlebars. I've heard good things about the Juiced electric bike alarm/horn combo and I might try it. Seems like it is just a rebranded version of this: https://amzn.to/2UMcte8 (https://amzn.to/2UMcte8)
You can get it cheaper on AliExpress. It's on my list to do a review.
I'm looking at the Kryptonite lock shared above, Lock: https://amzn.to/2ZJVGYE. The depth is only 10.25" and taking measurements on my Rover with fenders and thinking it might be close for locking in a lot of places. A bike rack may be ok, but it would have to be really close for a light pole, etc. and even then can only pass through the back wheel and frame triangle. Looks to me like a cable is the only real alternative that should fit any circumstance. Anyone have a real experience with this?
Quote from: donwright80211 on April 16, 2020, 09:46:31 AM
I'm looking at the Kryptonite lock shared above, Lock: https://amzn.to/2ZJVGYE. The depth is only 10.25" and taking measurements on my Rover with fenders and thinking it might be close for locking in a lot of places. A bike rack may be ok, but it would have to be really close for a light pole, etc. and even then can only pass through the back wheel and frame triangle. Looks to me like a cable is the only real alternative that should fit any circumstance. Anyone have a real experience with this?
This is my knock on the U locks, they lack flexibility. This is why I opted for one that extends. As you said, you're not always going to be locking it up to a bike rack. With the Wagon you're even further away from the locking point with the kickstand. I'd try my best to stay away from a cable lock though - they are so easy to snip. I'd consider the Kryptonite chains. They are bulky and heavy but security is at least better: https://amzn.to/2XFADZJ (https://amzn.to/2XFADZJ)
That or you can consider the folding locks that you can carry via the frame. I'm going to be testing out the Abus Bordo Big Alarm in an upcoming video. It is pricey at $200 at least on Amazon so I'll be curious to dig into what that gets you: https://amzn.to/2ylzPyN (https://amzn.to/2ylzPyN)
There are also cheaper options on the folding locks, just depends on how much security you really need.
Lock is something you should not choose by only seeing its price tag. And you can use it on your other bikes too, so a good lock will probably last longer than your bike.
I use folding lock myself, but you should check it will be long enough. :)
I rarely ride my Radmini4 anywhere I will have to leave it, but when I do, I use a Kryptonie NY U-lock WITH an additional steel cable, so that both wheels and seat can be fastened. I also have a disc lock that has an alarm, so although some would call this OVERKILL, I am comfortable when I go in a store or restaurant. The disk lock is hard to see when the bike is parked, and will let loose a SHRILL noise if the bike is moved at all.
The idea of an alarm on the disc brake is something I like and will have to look into. I recommend searching eBay for the Kryptonite New York Fahgettaboudit Chain with Disc Lock 1415 5' 150cm x 14mm. It'll be about 15 pounds but I have two racks on the RadRover that will hold the weight so I don't have to sling it over my shoulder. The RadRover gets attention wherever it goes. I'm afraid to leave it unattended, but this lock will go along way toward allaying my fears. By the way, no matter how good your bike lock is, you will want to take your battery with you. The lock that holds it in place is cheap, a master key is easy to find on the Internet, and it's a $500 investment.
On prime day I was able to pick up a disc lock with alarm for $17. I use this in conjunction with my kryptonite new york and Abus granite 500x unlocks
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Quote from: Ryan on June 18, 2019, 07:16:51 PM
I've seen some folks attach it to their rear racks as well and you could secure it with some velcro. We typically just put our lock in a crate or in our backpack though we have a Rad Wagon. I've been really happy with this lock: https://amzn.to/2IpZngv (https://amzn.to/2IpZngv)
Hi Ryan. That lock seems like a great deal. First thing I think of is how good can it be for that price. How do think this lock stack up against the other locks? I do see that any lock can be cut so maybe what you have is enough? Thx
Quote from: Boatinbear on December 30, 2020, 10:58:45 AM
Quote from: Ryan on June 18, 2019, 07:16:51 PM
I've seen some folks attach it to their rear racks as well and you could secure it with some velcro. We typically just put our lock in a crate or in our backpack though we have a Rad Wagon. I've been really happy with this lock: https://amzn.to/2IpZngv (https://amzn.to/2IpZngv)
Hi Ryan. That lock seems like a great deal. First thing I think of is how good can it be for that price. How do think this lock stack up against the other locks? I do see that any lock can be cut so maybe what you have is enough? Thx
Sorry for the delayed response. I think it's a decent lock for the price, but I would not consider it high security. Better than using a cable lock but probably a step down from some of the other u-locks. I'd consider it in low theft areas as a quick way to lock up your bike.
I have a Trimax, which is a heavy-duty chain that most thieves will look at before moving on to another bike. This item combines a chain with a strong solid steel disc U-lock. It produces a mixture that permits it to be suitable for a wide range of applications.
I have a Trimax, which is a heavy-duty chain that most thieves will look at before moving on to another bike. This item combines a chain with a strong solid steel disc U-lock. It produces a mixture that permits it to be suitable for a wide range of applications.
If your bike happens to have a bike rack, then you can put the u-lock in it. I know some companies who are designing bike rack that enables the u-lock system to fit in perfectly. The rack has a wide opening that was made so that the u-lock can fit nicely into the bike rack. I am not sure if it is intentional or not but I was amazed by the design and how it perfectly fits the u-lock (https://www.bikeshepherd.org/how-to-carry-u-lock-on-bike/) system.
Wouldn't it be nice if there were more of these around.
Trimax combo set will really make someone think twice about the time it will take them to try and crack the lock. But it is way too heavy for my back pack, so i wrap it around my bike frame.
Quote from: johnpeters on November 05, 2021, 04:37:32 AM
Trimax combo set will really make someone think twice about the time it will take them to try and crack the lock. But it is way too heavy for my back pack, so i wrap it around my bike frame.
This product combines the chain with a durable solid steel disc U-lock. It creates a combination that allows it to be suited for various applications. I used this chain lock (https://revolar.com/best-motorcycle-chain-locks/) on my motorcycle, trailer, ATV, and even my boat with effective results.
This last year I have started leaving my New York long kryptonite lock at the grocery store bike rack because it's under shelter at the place I have frequent several times a week.
I work 3 days a week minimum 13 hours and on my first day to work I leave my Abus Lock at work because it's in a sheltered bike locker. Most people who commute where I work leave their locks at work. I bring luck home on my third day.
I realize this is kind of expensive and not everyone can do that. I thought it was worth the extra expense and will be buying another u-lock and chain lock to stash at other places.
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So a New York Kryptonite lock would probably be adequate for pretty good protection of the bike. Do people steal the bike batteries and what is the best way to secure them? I'm also interested in the GPS tracker idea, for finding your bike if it's stolen.
Quote from: JillGat on December 30, 2021, 05:22:44 PMDo people steal the bike batteries and what is the best way to secure them?
Pic below of the small U-lock I bought to help keep my MiniST battery onboard (added the reinforced plastic tubing to make it tighter and protect the paint); you didn't say which model you have - I think the MiniST is the only one that can be locked in place with this method, but not sure.
But it gets even worse - every prior-generation (up through the new semi-integrated design) battery can be easily stolen with a blank Honda motorcycle key available for about 7 bucks on eBay. Turns out, the lock mechanism that Rad uses opens with a blank. I carry a blank key with me to prove this to other Rad owners I encounter who don't believe it, by turning their battery off with it. How's
that for a dumb design?
A few weeks ago I bought a Pentagon brand 'D' lock and a Pentagon brand chain lock (10mm links, 110cm long). I am very satisfied with their quality and value. Here is why -
In the last month I researched bike locks ad nauseum,; at least 10-20 hours of research; having just ordered a Mini ST2 and having similar security concerns. My research found that the 'D' locks by "Seatylocks" were as good or better than competing brands, but for less money; and are a superior value because Seatylock:
1) had the widest space in-between the shackles, and the longest reach (for their large 11" model),
2) Had a "Sold Secure 'Gold'" rating, and was later upgraded to "Sold Secure 'Diamond'" when that higher classification was added; so Seatylock 'D' locks are as good as the best of them - with triangular no-twist shackles and double locking lugs, hardened steel, and a strong complex lock-work.
3) it is covered in plastic that won't scratch paint and a carrying bracket can be purchased separately.
4) The Seatylock 'D' lock has the same rating and specs as the best Kryptonite or ABUS 'D' locks (except maybe the ABUS $300 gigantic 'D' lock), BUT it costs significantly less.
Seatylock also has chain locks that are similar to the Kryptonite chain locks with the integrated lock. The thickness (10mm) and hardness of the chains by Seatylock is equivalent to the chains by Kryptonite. They come in 90cm, 110cm, and 140cm lengths. I purchased the 110cm as being long enough for my Mini ST2, but lighter than the longer 140cm chain. However, the Seatylock chain:
1) has a superior 2-layer wrap around the chain, made of silicone inside a nylon sleeve, to protect the bike's finish.
2) has a better lock design that uses a magnet to hold the lock closed so that you don't need two hands to hold the ends together to lock the bike.
3) again, the Seatylock is significantly less expensive than the Kryptonite or ABUS chains of similar weight and length.
THEN ... I noticed the Pentagon brand locks online - they are absolutely identical to the Seatylock locks. Every feature is identical between all models of their two product line ups, just a different color. Whatever the licensing agreement is between the brands, the Pentagon locks were consistently about $10 less than the exact same lock with a "Seatylock" label. I looked far and wide to find any difference at all between the Seatylock locks and the Pentagon locks, and could find none. The Pentagon locks are still 'only' rated Sold Secure 'Gold' because they haven't been put through the new 'Diamond' level tests yet, but I am confident that they will perform identical to the Seatylock versions. They are the same locks.
My plan is that I will use the 'D' lock for short duration lock-ups at low to moderate risk locations. I will bring along the 6.5lb chain when I expect the bike to be parked longer and in a more risky environment. I also have a motion alarm for such situations.
I whole heartedly recommend that anybody looking for the best deal in a top quality bike lock consider the Pentagon brand. If anyone has more knowledge they can share about the relationship or history between Seatylock and Pentagon, it would be appreciated.
Back in college, I learned how to pick a few types of locks just for fun and got pretty good at it (that, plus learning how to tap a beer keg, were almost as useful as my engineering degree), so every now and then I take a look at the recent videos from The Lock-Picking Lawyer https://www.youtube.com/c/lockpickinglawyer/videos (https://www.youtube.com/c/lockpickinglawyer/videos).
He's done a ton of padlocks, chain locks, bar locks and U-locks for bikes, so might be worth checking on models of interest before buying. For instance, he busted right through the heaviest ABUS folding-bar lock that's touted in many places and costs a lot of money. I can only imagine the cheaper knockoffs wouldn't be any more difficult. I have an ABUS Granit U-lock; they make great lock mechanisms and the U-locks are very tough to cut through compared to the folding bars.
These days, with battery-powered angle grinders and hydraulic cutters, it's worth putting a bit of thought into using a locking position that provides no or little leverage assistance or supporting surface to work against - like don't leave it where the lock is on the ground against concrete or other solid surface to work a bolt-cutter against. Locking up high if possible, where nothing can be placed behind the lock, makes it more time-consuming to cut through. And "security ratings" from companies you've never heard of can be skeevy.
Also, be very skeptical of "bike-replacement guarantees" offered by Kryptonite and other companies - it's very easy to find numerous complaints about the methods they use to weasel out of these and tell the applicant to suck eggs.
Think like a criminal; make it take too long, be too noisy or too likely to be noticed and they'll hopefully move along to an easier target unless they really want your specific bike.
looking for recommendations for bike locks for the RadRover 6 Plus - being a fat tire bike, I'd need a lock that is big enough for the fat tires....
I'm in a fairly large city, so i'd need a decent lock, but I don't see my bike being locked up for more than a few hours at a time at most, plus the majority of bike theft here are thefts of opportunity.
thanks!
The only lock that will work is your butt. I've had my Rover 5 since September 2020 and I haven't used a lock. I have stopped at McDonalds a few times but I took my bike inside otherwise I just don't stop anywhere that would need me to lock it up. I've seen some YouTube videos of thieves stealing a bike and they are fast. I just can't bring myself to leave a $1,600 bike alone.
Jim
Quote from: jbfoster on January 12, 2022, 06:28:41 PM
The only lock that will work is your butt. I've had my Rover 5 since September 2020 and I haven't used a lock. I have stopped at McDonalds a few times but I took my bike inside otherwise I just don't stop anywhere that would need me to lock it up. I've seen some YouTube videos of thieves stealing a bike and they are fast. I just can't bring myself to leave a $1,600 bike alone.
Jim
that's not how this works, that's not how any of this works. I've seen videos of thieves stealing a car in seconds. I still lock my car.
a good lock may not always prevent a thief, but it will certainly deter most. Most bike thefts are thefts of opportunity, and that's what we're trying to avoid here - walking your bike through a grocery store if you want to pick up a few items isn't a realistic option.
Quote from: Tree on January 13, 2022, 06:23:37 AM
Quote from: jbfoster on January 12, 2022, 06:28:41 PM
The only lock that will work is your butt. I've had my Rover 5 since September 2020 and I haven't used a lock. I have stopped at McDonalds a few times but I took my bike inside otherwise I just don't stop anywhere that would need me to lock it up. I've seen some YouTube videos of thieves stealing a bike and they are fast. I just can't bring myself to leave a $1,600 bike alone.
Jim
that's not how this works, that's not how any of this works. I've seen videos of thieves stealing a car in seconds. I still lock my car.
a good lock may not always prevent a thief, but it will certainly deter most. Most bike thefts are thefts of opportunity, and that's what we're trying to avoid here - walking your bike through a grocery store if you want to pick up a few items isn't a realistic option.
Actually you are comparing apples to oranges. We are not talking about cars. We are talking about bicycles. Yes a lock may stop the casual thief but if somebody wants that bike and is locked up they're going to get it. My approach by never leaving it unattended will work 100% of the time and my bike will never be stolen.
Quote from: Tree on January 12, 2022, 10:28:38 AM
looking for recommendations for bike locks for the RadRover 6 Plus - being a fat tire bike, I'd need a lock that is big enough for the fat tires....
I'm in a fairly large city, so i'd need a decent lock, but I don't see my bike being locked up for more than a few hours at a time at most, plus the majority of bike theft here are thefts of opportunity.
thanks!
The longest lock I know of is a kryptonite LS which I own and it does not go through the wheels 100%.
Kryptonite New York LS Heavy Duty Bicycle U Lock Bike Lock https://amzn.to/3GxwcUH
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Quote from: jbfoster on January 13, 2022, 06:59:47 AM
Quote from: Tree on January 13, 2022, 06:23:37 AM
Quote from: jbfoster on January 12, 2022, 06:28:41 PM
The only lock that will work is your butt. I've had my Rover 5 since September 2020 and I haven't used a lock. I have stopped at McDonalds a few times but I took my bike inside otherwise I just don't stop anywhere that would need me to lock it up. I've seen some YouTube videos of thieves stealing a bike and they are fast. I just can't bring myself to leave a $1,600 bike alone.
Jim
that's not how this works, that's not how any of this works. I've seen videos of thieves stealing a car in seconds. I still lock my car.
a good lock may not always prevent a thief, but it will certainly deter most. Most bike thefts are thefts of opportunity, and that's what we're trying to avoid here - walking your bike through a grocery store if you want to pick up a few items isn't a realistic option.
Actually you are comparing apples to oranges. We are not talking about cars. We are talking about bicycles. Yes a lock may stop the casual thief but if somebody wants that bike and is locked up they're going to get it. My approach by never leaving it unattended will work 100% of the time and my bike will never be stolen.
We're actually talking about locks.
Like many others, I want to get full usage of my bike. I want to be able to make a quick run to the store, or maybe a bar or restaurant, or what have you. Having a lock allows for these things - not having a lock essentially makes them impossible.
I'm glad not having a lock works for you, but that isn't what's being discussed here.
I purchased a Pedego branded Foldy Lock. The holder works/mounts like a water bottle holder. It seems more than adequate for my security needs. Side note. Also lock your bike in your garage. Thieves love the privacy provided by garages once inside.
Quote from: Tree on January 13, 2022, 10:20:23 AM
Quote from: jbfoster on January 13, 2022, 06:59:47 AM
Quote from: Tree on January 13, 2022, 06:23:37 AM
Quote from: jbfoster on January 12, 2022, 06:28:41 PM
The only lock that will work is your butt. I've had my Rover 5 since September 2020 and I haven't used a lock. I have stopped at McDonalds a few times but I took my bike inside otherwise I just don't stop anywhere that would need me to lock it up. I've seen some YouTube videos of thieves stealing a bike and they are fast. I just can't bring myself to leave a $1,600 bike alone.
Jim
that's not how this works, that's not how any of this works. I've seen videos of thieves stealing a car in seconds. I still lock my car.
a good lock may not always prevent a thief, but it will certainly deter most. Most bike thefts are thefts of opportunity, and that's what we're trying to avoid here - walking your bike through a grocery store if you want to pick up a few items isn't a realistic option.
Actually you are comparing apples to oranges. We are not talking about cars. We are talking about bicycles. Yes a lock may stop the casual thief but if somebody wants that bike and is locked up they're going to get it. My approach by never leaving it unattended will work 100% of the time and my bike will never be stolen.
We're actually talking about locks.
Like many others, I want to get full usage of my bike. I want to be able to make a quick run to the store, or maybe a bar or restaurant, or what have you. Having a lock allows for these things - not having a lock essentially makes them impossible.
I'm glad not having a lock works for you, but that isn't what's being discussed here.
Yes we are talking about locks. All I am saying is if you 100% never want your bike stolen then never leave it unattended. This is the way it is. Nothing you can do. There is not a lock out there that will be 100% to stop a thief. If you do stop somewhere and lock your bike you do run the risk of getting it stolen. I'm sure there are area's of the country that are worse than others. It's up to each person if they a willing to take the risk.
A bicycle is stolen every 30 seconds in the United States. That's roughly two million bikes a year. To give you some perspective, less than one million motor vehicles are stolen each year in America. Only one percent of stolen bikes are recovered.
Jim
jbfoster, how do you do it? I go to a local arcade bar in my area. Lock my RadRunner on the corner, outta site bike rack with my Pedego Foldy Lock. Lock it, go inside the arcade bar, order a beer and play some pinball.
Quote from: sc00ter on January 14, 2022, 07:02:27 AM
jbfoster, how do you do it? I go to a local arcade bar in my area. Lock my RadRunner on the corner, outta site bike rack with my Pedego Foldy Lock. Lock it, go inside the arcade bar, order a beer and play some pinball.
There is times I would like to run to Walgreens or stop at Walmart on the way home from work but i am just scared someone will cut the lock and steal the bike. If I had a regular $300 bike I probably would chance it. It took me to long to get the money for my Rover that I will not chance it.
Jim
Quote from: sc00ter on January 14, 2022, 07:02:27 AM
jbfoster, how do you do it? I go to a local arcade bar in my area. Lock my RadRunner on the corner, outta site bike rack with my Pedego Foldy Lock. Lock it, go inside the arcade bar, order a beer and play some pinball.
this. all of this. what's the fun of a bike if you're just going to be paranoid about it all the time?
Quote from: Tree on January 14, 2022, 08:16:33 AM
Quote from: sc00ter on January 14, 2022, 07:02:27 AM
jbfoster, how do you do it? I go to a local arcade bar in my area. Lock my RadRunner on the corner, outta site bike rack with my Pedego Foldy Lock. Lock it, go inside the arcade bar, order a beer and play some pinball.
this. all of this. what's the fun of a bike if you're just going to be paranoid about it all the time?
I get plenty of use and fun on my bike. I ride to work now and then and go on weekend rides. I just don't stop any where I would need to lock it up. I don't see why the comments on my choice.
Jim
Jbfoster, that's what I used to do with my first 10 speed. I had it for a couple of decades and never left it alone.
I also understand everyone else's point of view. With my current ebike I have a Kryptonite chain lock. I'm going to get a U lock too.
Actually a company, I think they are called Hip Lock, makes a U lock that is designed specifically to resist grinder attacks. Look them up. They make what appears to be a good quality lock, it is strong and it resists grinding attacks.
Quote from: Ddaybc on January 14, 2022, 08:42:46 AM
Jbfoster, that's what I used to do with my first 10 speed. I had it for a couple of decades and never left it alone.
I also understand everyone else's point of view. With my current ebike I have a Kryptonite chain lock. I'm going to get a U lock too.
Actually a company, I think they are called Hip Lock, makes a U lock that is designed specifically to resist grinder attacks. Look them up. They make what appears to be a good quality lock, it is strong and it resists grinding attacks.
I will check out that lock tonight. I get why some lock their bike and that is fine. I'm not saying don't do it. It's up to each person to make that decision. If I ever find a lock I feel comfortable with I may start locking up at the store.
Jim
Quote from: jbfoster on January 14, 2022, 07:52:53 AMThere is times I would like to run to Walgreens or stop at Walmart on the way home from work but i am just scared someone will cut the lock and steal the bike.
I think you need to move, man. What did you do to be sentenced to live in a place that's so worrisome?
Quote from: Veggyhed on January 13, 2022, 07:25:48 AMThe longest lock I know of is a kryptonite LS which I own and it does not go through the wheels 100%.
I use this ABUS lock, which is a beast and has an inside-shackle length of about 11.5" - should clear the width of fat tire/wheel too, but measure to be sure.
https://amzn.to/3tuIF7K
Quote from: JimInPT on January 14, 2022, 01:57:56 PM
Quote from: jbfoster on January 14, 2022, 07:52:53 AMThere is times I would like to run to Walgreens or stop at Walmart on the way home from work but i am just scared someone will cut the lock and steal the bike.
I think you need to move, man. What did you do to be sentenced to live in a place that's so worrisome?
Why is there such a big deal that I do not lock my bike up? From what I have heard it only takes a minute or so to cut through the best bike lock. I don't want my bike stolen so I don't lock it up. I don't call that being paranoid. I call it not taking a chance.
Jim
Quote from: JimInPT on January 14, 2022, 02:05:06 PM
Quote from: Veggyhed on January 13, 2022, 07:25:48 AMThe longest lock I know of is a kryptonite LS which I own and it does not go through the wheels 100%.
I use this ABUS lock, which is a beast and has an inside-shackle length of about 11.5" - should clear the width of fat tire/wheel too, but measure to be sure.
https://amzn.to/3tuIF7K
I found a couple reviews and from what they said it's a really good lock but a grinder will cut through it in about 40 seconds.
Quote from: Ddaybc on January 14, 2022, 08:42:46 AM
Jbfoster, that's what I used to do with my first 10 speed. I had it for a couple of decades and never left it alone.
I also understand everyone else's point of view. With my current ebike I have a Kryptonite chain lock. I'm going to get a U lock too.
Actually a company, I think they are called Hip Lock, makes a U lock that is designed specifically to resist grinder attacks. Look them up. They make what appears to be a good quality lock, it is strong and it resists grinding attacks.
I looked up Hiplok. They are coming out with the D1000. It's going to be expensive at $385. It's suppose to be hard to cut with a grinder. Over ten minutes. I can see myself using this lock. It looks small. Not sure if this would be big enough to lock up my rover.
Jim
SKUNK lock. Coolest idea ever!
Anyways, I'm going to make you paranoid again. If you use a super lock and lock it to a not so super bike rack, the thief will pick the path of least resistance and cut the bike rack instead.
My area is on the lower end of the bicycle theft spectrum. I'm not in New York, L.A., or D.C., but my sister lived in D.C. for awhile. If I was to take my 'Runner to D.C. I would use both my Foldy Lock and my ABUS U-lock that I use on my motor scooter when going into sketchy areas. My scooter has a anti-theft ignition, and if it gets punched out/damaged its $600ish to replace the assembly. I feel that would only happen if stupid kids could push it away behind a building or into some bushes in order to hot wire it.
Quote from: sc00ter on January 15, 2022, 07:14:59 AM
SKUNK lock. Coolest idea ever!
Anyways, I'm going to make you paranoid again. If you use a super lock and lock it to a not so super bike rack, the thief will pick the path of least resistance and cut the bike rack instead.
My area is on the lower end of the bicycle theft spectrum. I'm not in New York, L.A., or D.C., but my sister lived in D.C. for awhile. If I was to take my 'Runner to D.C. I would use both my Foldy Lock and my ABUS U-lock that I use on my motor scooter when going into sketchy areas. My scooter has a anti-theft ignition, and if it gets punched out/damaged its $600ish to replace the assembly. I feel that would only happen if stupid kids could push it away behind a building or into some bushes in order to hot wire it.
Well crap, I didn't think of that. I guess I could use two locks but dam that would be $700 for the two locks.
Jim
Quote from: jbfoster on January 15, 2022, 10:35:01 AMWell crap, I didn't think of that. I guess I could use two locks but dam that would be $700 for the two locks.
Put one of these on your bike; they work amazingly well for the price and are loud/annoying as hell if triggered.
https://amzn.to/3HZNQ3E
Mine's ziptied underneath the MiniST's rack, which is under the basket, so it's invisible unless you go looking for it. Learn to use and enjoy the bike you've paid all that money to have and try to relax.
I have the Juiced bike horn that also has the alarm.
I do have the Abus 1010 city chain lock. I bought it to lock my bike in the garage. Its Gold rated. I imagine it would be easy to cut this lock with a grinder. Anyone have any experience with this lock?
I bought it last year for $109. I looked and now its $142. Shit everything is going up.
Jim
and if you're truly paranoid about your bike getting stolen, that's what insurance is for. I drop 2K on something, I'm going to insure it!
but that's a different thread.
Quote from: Tree on January 15, 2022, 01:47:44 PM
and if you're truly paranoid about your bike getting stolen, that's what insurance is for. I drop 2K on something, I'm going to insure it!
but that's a different thread.
If you don't have something nice to say then don't say anything.
Quote from: jbfoster on January 14, 2022, 06:43:26 PM
Quote from: JimInPT on January 14, 2022, 02:05:06 PM
Quote from: Veggyhed on January 13, 2022, 07:25:48 AMThe longest lock I know of is a kryptonite LS which I own and it does not go through the wheels 100%.
I use this ABUS lock, which is a beast and has an inside-shackle length of about 11.5" - should clear the width of fat tire/wheel too, but measure to be sure.
https://amzn.to/3tuIF7K
I found a couple reviews and from what they said it's a really good lock but a grinder will cut through it in about 40 seconds.
I watched a couple of videos and it's about 3 minutes. There has to be two cuts made in order to free the lock.
Please I need to cut my Abus Lock.
99% of locks do not work well against grinders. But it does buy you time.
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Quote from: jbfoster on January 15, 2022, 12:00:27 PM
I do have the Abus 1010 city chain lock. I bought it to lock my bike in the garage. Its Gold rated. I imagine it would be easy to cut this lock with a grinder. Anyone have any experience with this lock?
I bought it last year for $109. I looked and now its $142. Shit everything is going up.
Jim
When your bike is locked with this chain and the garage do you have the chain anchored to the floor or wall?
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Quote from: JimInPT on January 15, 2022, 11:16:51 AM
Quote from: jbfoster on January 15, 2022, 10:35:01 AMWell crap, I didn't think of that. I guess I could use two locks but dam that would be $700 for the two locks.
Put one of these on your bike; they work amazingly well for the price and are loud/annoying as hell if triggered.
https://amzn.to/3HZNQ3E
Mine's ziptied underneath the MiniST's rack, which is under the basket, so it's invisible unless you go looking for it. Learn to use and enjoy the bike you've paid all that money to have and try to relax.
I have seen many reviews of alarms like this and I'm seriously thinking about installing one underneath my rack on my runner plus. My panniers would keep it out of sight.
I would seriously love an alarm that would alert you on your phone and or watch when somebody tampers with it. Have not found the solution yet.
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Quote from: Veggyhed on January 20, 2022, 05:08:31 AM
Quote from: JimInPT on January 15, 2022, 11:16:51 AM
Quote from: jbfoster on January 15, 2022, 10:35:01 AMWell crap, I didn't think of that. I guess I could use two locks but dam that would be $700 for the two locks.
Put one of these on your bike; they work amazingly well for the price and are loud/annoying as hell if triggered.
https://amzn.to/3HZNQ3E
Mine's ziptied underneath the MiniST's rack, which is under the basket, so it's invisible unless you go looking for it. Learn to use and enjoy the bike you've paid all that money to have and try to relax.
I have seen many reviews of alarms like this and I'm seriously thinking about installing one underneath my rack on my runner plus. My panniers would keep it out of sight.
I would seriously love an alarm that would alert you on your phone and or watch when somebody tampers with it. Have not found the solution yet.
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man, that's the thing.
imagine an alarm with a loud sound that also notifies your phone AND has a tracking device.
Just bought a RAd Rover 6. I scooped up a foldy lock. It's foldable and similar to the kryptonite locks. It fits through the wheel and attaches to a bike rack and wheel.
All of the suggestions on this thread are excellent. I believe in the theory of two. I carry a cable lock with a a lock that takes a longtime to chop. You can add a second lock if you like. I included a pic. Scooped mine up for $84 vs $179 for the kryptonite
Quote from: CoolLion on January 29, 2022, 07:47:53 PMJust bought a RAd Rover 6. I scooped up a foldy lock. It's foldable and similar to the kryptonite locks.
Here's a video of the first cracking method for folding locks that came to mind. Lockpicking Lawyer didn't even need to bother picking it: https://youtu.be/Y3NmIAWRjxI (https://youtu.be/Y3NmIAWRjxI)
After spending a few minutes considering the beefier and more-expensive Granit 6500 folding lock from ABUS, then seeing that video, I bought these:
https://amzn.to/3594q35
https://amzn.to/36HHicz
They store neatly alongside my rear basket as shown in this picture:
Well, I'm moving to the #2 metro in our state. I have a 5x approach to security. I have a 2020 RW4. I've gotten all ABUS devices but one..."the monster chain", the pair of disk locks, the long reach U-lock, the long reach Bar Lock. And finally the TILE beginner kit. A card for my wallet, a dongle for both sets of keys, and a "tiny puck" that mounts nicely and is well hidden under the controller. I also have Velocycle Insurance, at about 2x the replacement for my bike would be. Since it has already gone up $800 in 12 months, for the base, plus all the accessories I have. Those $15 PRC alarm locks don't look much more than the Blue Handle Channel Lock pliers would take 5 seconds to crush. Not impressed. I'm still looking in higher-end motorcycle circles. Honda, BMW, BULE, Dukati. Nothing for a "hog".... sorry.
My dad's '37 Indian Scout had the simplest of security devices. Spark Advance, 3 spd transmission, and a separate oil tank. Besides the ultra-smooth riding 3 leaf front spring. OMG