I am posting this at 7:45 a.m. Pacific time on Wednesday, March 9, 2022.
About 15 minutes ago I saw a post by eBike Escapes on one of the FB groups for RAD bikes.
The post was a review of a new model being introduced by RAD called the Expand5.
This model was shown to have a different handlebar arrangement and touted an LED display.
Beyond the fact that RAD was introducing a new model, when I tried to post a comment, I got a message that the OP had removed the post and that I could not post a comment.
I made a new post on that owner's group but don't know if it will get posted or not.
Anyone else heard of this new Expand5? Curious RAD owners want to know.
Here's an article about it: https://electrek.co/2022/03/09/rad-power-bikes-launches-new-low-cost-radexpand-5-electric-bike-replacing-radmini/ (https://electrek.co/2022/03/09/rad-power-bikes-launches-new-low-cost-radexpand-5-electric-bike-replacing-radmini/)
Micah's video in the article says this replaces both of the current Minis (regular and step-through).
At first glace, it looks like a slightly stripped-down Mini (no front suspension, different display, no more folding pedals, which seems odd for a folding bike) with fatter tires, included rear rack and different handlebar with more adjustment. $1,299 vs $1,499 for the Mini. Same motor and battery, which bodes well for continuing availability of both for spares and replacement parts.
With no suspension and a crappier display, IMHO they're making a mistake if they don't continue to offer the MiniST - maybe this is forced on them by increasing parts costs so the Mini would have gotten too expensive for the lineup?
When Rad was offering two Minis for $1,150 each with package discounting last Oct/Nov, that's starting to look like a phenomenal deal in hindsight - if you are thinking of getting a current Mini model, now might be the last chance.
And here is another source to look at !
https://ebikeescape.com/radexpand-5-review/?fbclid=IwAR39pIfKHJcJhhNIMwxE2gLOjFap6wLYT5uJXl_JLvF722E-txUd0oPcg7E
I have a RadExpand 5 on the way and will get the video out asap. Here is the forums affiliate link if you decide to purchase one (Thanks for the support!): https://bit.ly/3vWfGee
Quote from: Ryan on March 09, 2022, 09:01:24 AM
I have a RadExpand 5 on the way and will get the video out asap. Here is the forums affiliate link if you decide to purchase one (Thanks for the support!): https://bit.ly/3vWfGee
That's great to hear, Ryan. I'd appreciate some closer attention to things that seem somewhat concealed on the new Rad webpage, such as a good look at the new MicroShift (never heard of that brand) shifter and the handlebar mount and arrangement - looks like a Radrunner bar at first glance. They actually shot the "closeup" of the bar with the black version on a black background. Looks like Batman's ebike; can't see a thing.
The Electrek and eBikeEscape articles seem to dance around the negatives compared to the MiniST, such as no more front suspension - they probably want to continue to get access and free review bikes so try to brush that off by talking about wider knobby tires and lower tire pressures to "soak up the bumps". But that also makes the bike less power-efficient and not as nimble on pavement. It's also a lot easier to dial in suspension preload and lockout than mess around with tire pressures on the road.
I can't fault Rad too much for having to strip down the new model to meet an inflationary price point, I suppose, but why not buff up the MiniST with the new handlebar mount, front suspension, now-optional LCD display and included rack as the Expand5 Plus or something for those who want the current feature set, similar to the Runner and Runner Plus models? They might have handed Lectric an opportunity here.
Anyway, as always your insights and honest opinions are welcome.
Just got an email from Rad with the link: https://bit.ly/3vWfGee
1. Does anyone have an opinion on whether the tires are an upgrade or downgrade? I'll probably buy tires in 2023 but I am just wondering and taking notes.
2. It seems the rear rack is tilted forward (lower in the front of the rack, higher in the back of the rack) compared to a Rad Mini Step Thru rack which I own and which is flat in my eyes. It is just the picture?
3. I don't know why, but a speedometer is very entertaining to me even when riding a regular non electric bike. I'll miss that feature.
Quote from: Eric7 on March 09, 2022, 11:53:47 AM
1. Does anyone have an opinion on whether the tires are an upgrade or downgrade? I'll probably buy tires in 2023 but I am just wondering and taking notes.
2. It seems the rear rack is tilted forward (lower in the front of the rack, higher in the back of the rack) compared to a Rad Mini Step Thru rack which I own and which is flat in my eyes. It is just the picture?
3. I don't know why, but a speedometer is very entertaining to me even when riding a regular non electric bike. I'll miss that feature.
1. For me, the tires would be a downgrade; they look like the wider knobby Kendas that Rad used to ship on the Minis, but when I ordered mine they'd switched over to the CST Big Boats and I was bummed. Turns out, I'm perfectly happy with the CSTs - they ride quiet and handle much better than knobbies on pavement and packed-dirt trails, which is where I spend 95% of my time anyway. So for me I'm glad Rad switched, but I'm sure grass, sand and mud riders would prefer the knobbies.
2. Just a guess, but I would expect it to be the same rack as the Minis, mounted in the same location and should be level. A non-level rack design is not a good design IMHO. Maybe ask Ryan about it when he gets his review unit.
3. You can use a speedo app on your phone with GPS; it'll be bigger numbers and more accurate, but it looks like the original Mini LCD display will be available as a $99 option according to the eBikeEscape writeup. I'm with you; I couldn't stand one of those cheap-looking, uninformative LED displays.
I'm about to purchase 2 radminis, so it was surprising to see expand5 show up just as I was going to finalize the purchase forcing me to stop and re-evaluate. I actually prefer the 4" knobby Kenda tires, but I also want the fork suspension (plan to be more off-roady with it). Rad forces you to pick one or the other. So the obvious choice is to go with the radmini and just purchase the knobby tires as a separate purchase, which of course will cost more, but I can have the CST Big Boats are backups so they won't go to waste.
I am REALLY hoping for a Expand5 PLUS as others mentioned - give me the 4" knobbers, give me the suspension, the good display, combined with the new frame with a THICC connector in the middle - basically the best of both generations. There's gotta be someone in RAD who can tell me if I should just wait a few weeks or so because a PLUS model is coming... I don't want to have buyer's regret if I go with the original mini :D
Quote from: Smackums on March 10, 2022, 06:33:56 AM
I'm about to purchase 2 radminis, so it was surprising to see expand5 show up just as I was going to finalize the purchase forcing me to stop and re-evaluate. I actually prefer the 4" knobby Kenda tires, but I also want the fork suspension (plan to be more off-roady with it). Rad forces you to pick one or the other. So the obvious choice is to go with the radmini and just purchase the knobby tires as a separate purchase, which of course will cost more, but I can have the CST Big Boats are backups so they won't go to waste.
I am REALLY hoping for a Expand5 PLUS as others mentioned - give me the 4" knobbers, give me the suspension, the good display, combined with the new frame with a THICC connector in the middle - basically the best of both generations. There's gotta be someone in RAD who can tell me if I should just wait a few weeks or so because a PLUS model is coming... I don't want to have buyer's regret if I go with the original mini :D
I own the Rad Mini Step Thru. I guess if I were to buy today, I would get the Expand 5 with an upgrade on the display (which another poster said is available).
Right now, it seems to me that the Rad Mini Step Thru is the Plus model. The main benefits I see of the Expand 5 over the Rad Mini Step Thru without actually having one in front of me are
1. Price.
2. Rack.
3. Stem that is shorter so it can be "lowered" with a replacement flatter handlebar.
4. I don't know about 4-inch tires - depends on the user if this is a benefit.
Of course, I totally understand what you are saying and I have the same concerns. Whether there will be a Plus model.
Price aside, which is a big consideration, except for the shorter stem/handlebar arrangement, I don't see any improvement over the Rad Mini Step Thru that I would really really want.
I am glad to see that battery, hub motor, rims, possibly the frame parts like derailleur hanger are the same. This means that parts will be available for the Rad Mini Step Thru that I own for some time. Possibly the frame is not totally interchangeable - which is fine because if I crack the frame, it will be time for a new bike and possibly the Expand 5.
I think the Expand 5 will be a great bike because of the price point. And I suspect, of all of Rad's bikes, the Rad Mini and now the Expand 5 will have the most performance going uphill. This is probably something they don't want to talk about. :)
Quote from: Smackums on March 10, 2022, 06:33:56 AM
I'm about to purchase 2 radminis, so it was surprising to see expand5 show up just as I was going to finalize the purchase forcing me to stop and re-evaluate. I actually prefer the 4" knobby Kenda tires, but I also want the fork suspension (plan to be more off-roady with it). Rad forces you to pick one or the other. So the obvious choice is to go with the radmini and just purchase the knobby tires as a separate purchase, which of course will cost more, but I can have the CST Big Boats are backups so they won't go to waste.
I am REALLY hoping for a Expand5 PLUS as others mentioned - give me the 4" knobbers, give me the suspension, the good display, combined with the new frame with a THICC connector in the middle - basically the best of both generations. There's gotta be someone in RAD who can tell me if I should just wait a few weeks or so because a PLUS model is coming... I don't want to have buyer's regret if I go with the original mini :D
I'd guess that a "plus" version of the Expand5 would just be a Mini with a rack, knobby tires and somewhat-different handlebar geometry. The rack is worth $80, but you'll have to pay $99 to get the optional LCD display that's standard on the Minis (and probably also on the hypothetical Expand5 Plus). We know now the next-gen "Mini" has the same battery and motor as the current model (including the ability to unlock and steal the battery and/or bike with a blank uncut key), which is a good thing for future parts availability.
Your plan is a good one IMHO; get the MiniST2 and order some knobby tires and a rack. But try the Big Boats first; I was surprised at how good they are.
Sorry if this stings a bit, but I can't resist mentioning that 2 Minis could have been bought for $1,150 each in October and November during a Rad promotion ($1,300 price at that time, less $300 discount for buying two bikes at the same time). I tried telling everybody I know who was interested in mine after trying it, and I don't think anybody took advantage of that deal. Broke my heart, LOL. :'(
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Quote from: Eric7 on March 10, 2022, 08:54:06 AMI think the Expand 5 will be a great bike because of the price point. And I suspect, of all of Rad's bikes, the Rad Mini and now the Expand 5 will have the most performance going uphill. This is probably something they don't want to talk about. :)
That is exactly correct. The Minis have the same motor, battery and power (80 nm) as the bigger Rovers for instance, but the smaller wheel diameter means more torque at the road surface. I think it was CitizenCycle (YouTube channel, with lots of very useful tech and review vids) who performed exactly this test with his various Rads on a grassy slope - measuring time and distance up the hill. The Rover couldn't make it all the way up, the Mini scooted over the top.
That being said, I'm still slapping a Bolton 35A controller/display upgrade onto my MiniST2 as my warranty expires today, for better hill-climbing torque up the two most-monstrous hills in town; the upgrade is waiting in the garage for warmer weather to do the work.
Quote from: JimInPT on March 10, 2022, 09:19:31 AM
Quote from: Smackums on March 10, 2022, 06:33:56 AM
I'm about to purchase 2 radminis, so it was surprising to see expand5 show up just as I was going to finalize the purchase forcing me to stop and re-evaluate. I actually prefer the 4" knobby Kenda tires, but I also want the fork suspension (plan to be more off-roady with it). Rad forces you to pick one or the other. So the obvious choice is to go with the radmini and just purchase the knobby tires as a separate purchase, which of course will cost more, but I can have the CST Big Boats are backups so they won't go to waste.
I am REALLY hoping for a Expand5 PLUS as others mentioned - give me the 4" knobbers, give me the suspension, the good display, combined with the new frame with a THICC connector in the middle - basically the best of both generations. There's gotta be someone in RAD who can tell me if I should just wait a few weeks or so because a PLUS model is coming... I don't want to have buyer's regret if I go with the original mini :D
I'd guess that a "plus" version of the Expand5 would just be a Mini with a rack, knobby tires and somewhat-different handlebar geometry. We know now the next-gen "Mini" has the same battery and motor as the current model (including the ability to unlock and steal the battery and/or bike with a blank uncut key), which is a good thing for future parts availability.
Your plan is a good one IMHO; get the MiniST2 and order some knobby tires and a rack. But try the Big Boats first; I was surprised at how good they are.
Sorry if this stings a bit, but I can't resist mentioning that 2 Minis could have been bought for $1,150 each in October and November during a Rad promotion ($1,300 price at that time, less $300 discount for buying two bikes at the same time). I tried telling everybody I know who was interested in mine after trying it, and I don't think anybody took advantage of that deal. Broke my heart, LOL. :'(
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Ok I made the plunge! Just ordered a Mini4 and Mini ST2 (for myself and gf). I spoke with an agent and she gave us some coupons to take the $ sting out of the knobby tires which we wanted to buy anyway, which she totally didn't have to do but she is awesome and so is this company! Also we got the rear racks as well (they have a promotion at the moment if you get 2 bikes the racks are free). So all in all we paid $3,185 total which is 2 bikes, 2 sets of extra knobby tires (separate from the ones already on the bikes), and 2 racks, plus tax. I'd say that's not bad at all, despite lack of the Oct/Nov deals.
The knobby tires are out of stock at the moment so we will have to wait for them to be available, and will be using the CST in the meantime, so I'll definitely be seeing how far I can push them and whether the knobsters are even necessary!
Also it goes without saying - we've never had an ebike (or a bike, not since I was a kid), so I'm literally giddy like a kid right now (I'm 37). I absolutely cannot WAIT to ride my ebike, and I'll be exploring every trail I can get my hands on with it. Haven't felt so excited about a purchase in a LONG time!!
Quote from: Smackums on March 10, 2022, 09:32:22 AM
Ok I made the plunge! Just ordered a Mini4 and Mini ST2 (for myself and gf). I spoke with an agent and she gave us some coupons to take the $ sting out of the knobby tires which we wanted to buy anyway, which she totally didn't have to do but she is awesome and so is this company! Also we got the rear racks as well (they have a promotion at the moment if you get 2 bikes the racks are free). So all in all we paid $3,185 total which is 2 bikes, 2 sets of extra knobby tires (separate from the ones already on the bikes), and 2 racks.
Congratulations! I was going to mention ordering accessories at the same time to at least get free shipping, but didn't want to belabor the point in an already-long post. Good deals for ya.
But on the subject of the two models - are you SURE about the Mini 4? If you're thinking "girl's bike" or "Shriner bike" like I did at first when shopping - don't! They are called "Minis" but they are
not small bikes when you stand next to them. The step-thru is far more convenient and not just for us older people trying to swing a leg over a rear basket full of stuff. The frame design is extremely strong and well-designed - no worries about durability. The controller is better protected on the ST, as are the wires - and I believe the stepover Mini 4 doesn't have water-bottle mounts. You'll find a number of threads here about that very decision and I don't recall a single person saying the step-through isn't preferred after owning it - a couple regretted ordering the same as you, after trying the "wife bike." And consider that both Minis are being replaced by just one Step-Thru model; that says a lot about the sales and popularity and perhaps even resale value later on.
If I were you, I'd take a moment to ponder this and perhaps an order change can be made easily - the Rad staff is noted for stellar customer service, and I can vouch for that personally.
Again, congrats and have fun in the sun!
Thank you! That's definitely something to think about! I think I'll go ahead with the order as is for now, feel both of them out, and see if I really prefer the ST. There's a 14 day trial period, and worst case scenario I can just sell it locally for a small loss, which wouldn't be too bad. The decision for mini4 was based really on the website's recommended rider height more than anything - I'm 5'9 and the ST2 says it tops out at 5'10, so I didn't want to be close to the max height for the bike. I have no idea how it will work out in practice though, so I'm definitely going to test both out!
And the bikes haven't even shipped yet but I'm already eyeing that 35a controller upgrade over at Bolton lol
Quote from: Smackums on March 10, 2022, 10:54:30 AMAnd the bikes haven't even shipped yet but I'm already eyeing that 35a controller upgrade over at Bolton lol
Swapping in the new Bolton kit would technically void your warranty, FYI, but it should be fully reversible as long as you don't make permanent changes to the frame to mount it. My warranty coincidentally expires today, but I've been waiting for warmer weather to work in the garage and ride the bike; wasn't too concerned about the warranty.
And speaking of which, should you need help - I've only needed to call them once for service help, about a squeak in the front end that I simply could not find, and was about to take it to my local shop for diagnosis but called Rad first looking for things to check and tell the shop. The guy who answered the phone asked me a few questions about symptoms then told me to grab my hex-wrench kit and head into the garage, where he walked me through the entire diagnosis and simple fix while on the phone, including listening to the squeak from my end - it had nothing to do with any of the components I'd checked, it was a coolie-hat rubber seal dragging a bit on the brake rotor hub, fixed with a tiny finger-smear of oil. Didn't even have to kick me over to a service tech; this guy answering the main phone line knew how to fix it and it was done in 5 minutes. Impressive.
Even though perfectly content with my MiniST, I'd be curious to hear your comparison comments between the two models - not many of us have the opportunity to do that sort of in-depth evaluation side-by-side and if I'm overlooking an important difference, my touch of engineer-OCD definitely wants to know. :o
I'll definitely share my impressions! My main criteria was folding + 750w motor + decent battery + great company, so RAD checked all the boxes on paper. My gf and I also both have Subaru Impreza hatchbacks (hers is 2014, mine is 2018), and we will be testing to see if/how we can get both bikes into the same car. Going anywhere is always more fun when you're in the same car, because the drive (and stops for coffee/snacks) is half the fun. We also have about 6-7 steps to get to our porch in our duplex so I'll be experimenting with the best way to get the bike up - maybe wheel it before folding, we'll see!
Also, I'm really curious what it feels like to ride these bikes manually with no motor help - something impossible to tell from youtube videos and you really gotta try yourself.
My next ebike purchase will be much more informed and with experience for sure. After I get the feel for my Rad, I'll find a bike shop with some mid-drive bikes and rent them to see how they compare. I'll also see if I can get my hands on a torque-sensor equipped bike to see what that's like as well. Although finding those in a foldable frame and fat tires is currently unlikely without making your own essentially!
Quote from: Smackums on March 10, 2022, 10:54:30 AM
There's a 14 day trial period, and worst case scenario I can just sell it locally for a small loss, which wouldn't be too bad. ... I'll find a bike shop with some mid-drive bikes and rent them to see how they compare.
Read the fine print. I think you cannot have over 10 miles in the odometer, you need all packing material, and a whole bunch of other things. I think the trial period is almost impossible for me. You need to read it because I read it a while back - this is just from memory. Of course, it can be like the fine print is not fully enforced and it just there. But if it is applied strictly, it is a difficult set of requirements.
I think the middrives are definitely more work. I go to Manhattan often and all the bicycle messenger delivery people use hub drives. If there are any advantages in maintenance to mid drives that is cost effective, I am sure they would be using them. These are people who are on their bikes 40 hours a week. Not a single one I see uses mid drive. But maybe mid drives are more sporty. Combing through the reviews, replacing the chain ever 1000 miles to 2000 miles is standard. Along with sprocket and chainring replacements. You look on the web and decide for yourself.
Quote from: Smackums on March 10, 2022, 11:47:02 AMWe also have about 6-7 steps to get to our porch in our duplex so I'll be experimenting with the best way to get the bike up - maybe wheel it before folding, we'll see!
This same issue came up here in a recent thread - one thing you can consider to save the hassle of folding and the effort of carrying is to lay down a 2x8 board the full length of the stairs, then use the little-known "walking mode" of the controller to walk alongside the bike while you let it climb the board, like walking a horse. You just leave the bike powered on, stay away from the throttle but grab the bars and press the down-PAS button on the control for 3 seconds - the bike will begin a strong and brisk walking speed that makes it easy to walk it up ramps, steep hills etc. Let go of the button and the bike stops immediately. I use this mode to walk my MiniST up a ramp onto and off the hitch-receiver rack plugged into the back of my SUV for the rare occasions I need to haul it elsewhere.
But it pulls briskly and strong, so make sure you practice walking mode on a flat surface first so you know what to expect!
Quote from: Smackums on March 10, 2022, 06:33:56 AM
I am REALLY hoping for a Expand5 PLUS as others mentioned - give me the 4" knobbers, give me the suspension, the good display, combined with the new frame with a THICC connector in the middle - basically the best of both generations. There's gotta be someone in RAD who can tell me if I should just wait a few weeks or so because a PLUS model is coming... I don't want to have buyer's regret if I go with the original mini :D
I doubt an Expand5 Plus would come out anytime soon. If they did that they would (IMO) drastically cut into the sales of the one they just announced.
Buying minis NOW and buy different tires if one wants...that sounds like the way to go for me.
Quote from: movieman990 on March 11, 2022, 07:38:19 AM
I doubt an Expand5 Plus would come out anytime soon. If they did that they would (IMO) drastically cut into the sales of the one they just announced.
Buying minis NOW and buy different tires if one wants...that sounds like the way to go for me.
I think you are totally right - now that you brought up the subject.
The classical method is to put up the deluxe model. Capture the richer people.
Then come out with the economy model. Capture the people with less money.
Then come out with the super cheap economy model. Capture the people who were never going to buy.
The reverse loser strategy would be to come out with the cheap model. Getting all your rich customers to buy that. Then come out with a deluxe model with more bells and whistles but no new technology soon after - making all your rich customer upset. And then the rich customer might not even buy because they are holding out for the super super deluxe model now. The reason I say new technology is that customers would be more forgiving if there is some new technology because the manufacturer can say they couldn't get their hands on the new "super hub" until now.
Based on that, I think the super plus model will come out next year - if it comes at all. That would be sufficient time not to get people upset. Coming up with an improved model in the next 3 months would be unlikely for the reasons described above.
Good points, but Rad may also be holding back on an Expand5 Plus to finish selling off the Minis, which are much more similar in features and price to a hypothetically-upscale Plus version. Frankly, I think the Expand5 is a step backwards, forced by supply-chain issues and inflation, but now facing increasing competition especially from Lectric.
EBR's new review was as full of rationalizing, explaining away and chaff-blowing about the bike's de-featuring as I've ever seen him do previously - the whole time I kept thinking "he's pretending he's never reviewed BOTH of the Minis, the way he extols this one." That guy truly gets into butt-smooching mode at times, sidestepping things people won't like to avoid making Rad mad and possibly reducing his premium-access to new stuff early to put on his channel on release day for more clicks. I didn't even know that Rad had dropped the metal chainring protection, replaced with a plastic one, until it was pointed out - and the replacement display and shifter controls weren't addressed and barely appeared in the video at all. But that's all fine too, apparently. Almost cringey to watch at times.
"It's fine to lose the front suspension - just let air out of your tires!"
Hello. I just did a test drive here in canada 500 W versus 750W , can I order from the US and get the 750W shipped? I guess its another stupid rule in canada? 500w. And how much is it a pain in the butt to fold and unfold this bike? I live in a walk up apartment. Second floor. Would there be anyway I could walk this up? Our bike room is a rats nest for storing and not even sure I would want to leave it there. Sorry for all the questions.
P.S I was pretty happy with my test ride, just wish the seat post was bit higher. I would have to buy a compatible, higher post.
Quote from: Leafy2726 on March 13, 2022, 02:18:18 PMI live in a walk up apartment. Second floor. Would there be anyway I could walk this up?
This thread might be of some use to you: https://www.radowners.com/index.php?topic=1847.msg9418#msg9418 (https://www.radowners.com/index.php?topic=1847.msg9418#msg9418)
Thanks.
I agree that Expand5 seems to be a step back a bit, but it also bridges the $500 price gap between the radmission and mini's which may work for many peeps. They needed a cheaper folding option, but I think they could've gone even cheaper to give Lectric a run for its money. For me personally a real upgrade would be a Class3 option with improved controller + bigger battery. I think the Rover really needs more power, especially given its $2000 price tag. It's weaker on hills due to its wheels.
If they gave us a $2000 folder with a controller that could peak at 1300 watts and say a 17.5ah battery (840wh), I personally would be all over that option, even if I had to mow some lawns to pay for it lol. The fact that Bolton has an aftermarket controller+screen upgrade for $200 or so (which doesn't neatly fit all RAD bikes!) means RAD could technically do it too, and do it better, and throw in a bigger battery while they're at it!
Actually look at BPM Imports F-15RZ and F-15RS bikes - the specs are amazing for $2000. The company is MIA when it comes to customer support, so I had to go with RAD. But I want those specs from RAD! I'd pay a premium for sure.
Quote from: Smackums on March 14, 2022, 06:49:18 AMI agree that Expand5 seems to be a step back a bit, but it also bridges the $500 price gap between the radmission and mini's which may work for many peeps.
That's true, but Rad has discontinued BOTH Minis in favor of the Expand5. Expect an Expand5 Plus later on with the Mini features restored once they sell off the older inventory. It was just last November that Minis could be had for just $1,150 each if you bought a pair of them; that's going to seem like The Good Old Days.
And, theoretically, no Class 2 bike in the USA is allowed to be sold with a controller delivering more than 750 watts, because our Rulers know better than we do about what we want/need. At least we're not strangled with only 500 watts like Canada or as little as 250 watts in parts of Europe, which is monumentally lame. My Mini's stock controller handles 95% of my town's hills (and a couple of those, just barely), but the Bolton upgrade I'm about to install will knock out that last 5% with ease.
You're right about the Rover; CitizenCycle's YT channel has a hill-climbing test between a Rover and a Mini, the latter made it up and over without too much strain, the Rover couldn't make it to the top. Same motor, controller, torque output and battery in both, and they both weigh about the same in stock configurations, but force applied at the tire surface is greater for a smaller-diameter wheel, assuming the same torque output from the motor.
Quote from: JimInPT on March 14, 2022, 07:55:19 AM
And, theoretically, no Class 2 bike in the USA is allowed to be sold with a controller delivering more than 750 watts, because our Rulers know better than we do about what we want/need. At least we're not strangled with only 500 watts like Canada or as little as 250 watts in parts of Europe, which is monumentally lame. My Mini's stock controller handles 95% of my town's hills (and a couple of those, just barely), but the Bolton upgrade I'm about to install will knock out that last 5% with ease.
You're right about the Rover; CitizenCycle's YT channel has a hill-climbing test between a Rover and a Mini, the latter made it up and over without too much strain, the Rover couldn't make it to the top. Same motor, controller, torque output and battery in both, and they both weigh about the same in stock configurations, but force applied at the tire surface is greater for a smaller-diameter wheel, assuming the same torque output from the motor.
I heard that nominal power has to be 750w but the "loophole" is the peak power, which can be achieved with a controller having higher amps without increasing motor typical wattage, and somehow the law is just not specific enough to address that so bike companies get away with it. Which means you can have that extra boost for hills while technically following the regulation. At least that's how most bike companies seem to interpret it and why most 750w bikes have a peak that goes beyond that without having legal issues. It's possible that RAD is just playing it safe in case some lawsuit shuts down that loophole for everyone and Rad won't have to do a recall!
Also I don't think anyone is going around enforcing this (pulling people over checking their bike wattage) - most companies limit things in software to be technically in compliance while allowing the customer "at their own discretion/risk" to unlock it in the settings menu and get the full power of their controller. Often it's simply to switch from Class 2 to Class 3, but in rare cases it may go beyond that. I agree the whole thing is stupid - I can buy a Corvette and drive it at 55mph - let me be responsible for following legal speed limits like a big boy. It's the same as forcing car manufacturers to limit all their cars 65mph or whatever - there would be riots in the streets if that suddenly happened!
250w in Europe is basically like having some e-baby stroller, those people should've grabber their pitchforks years ago!
Quote from: Smackums on March 14, 2022, 09:29:57 AMIt's possible that RAD is just playing it safe in case some lawsuit shuts down that loophole for everyone and Rad won't have to do a recall!
I think your theory is exactly correct; Rad is a pretty big company in this industry now, with lots of visibility, money behind it and exposure so they're reluctant to take chances. As far as I can tell on my MiniST, Rad's "peak power" is just 750w - I have never seen it go above that figure on the display no matter how high the load. Depending on the competition's evolutions, they might have to rethink that.
And they don't seem terribly concerned about potential liability with all the batteries being able to be unlocked and stolen with a blank key, or the new models that can't have the power locked out with the key, so anybody can just walk up, turn them on and hit the gas, whether intentionally or not. My recovering-engineer brain gets all itchy seeing design choices like that.
I think the manufacturers are concerned with power consumed but not so much power that gets delivered (power output) or power where the rubber meets the road (effective power output?). In theory, a Rad Mission and a Rad Step Thru should climb a hill at the exact same rate since they are roughly the same - they are bicycles. The power are proabably peak power - but then I don't think it is unreasonable. It is the same with cars.
Everybody does it and there is no standard for measuring power. For cars, the motor is hooked up to a dynamometer but even there, there are lots of room for adjustments. On a gas engine and dynamometer, The motor is not driving the water pump, the transaxle, the transmission, the fan, charging the batteries etc so when tested the motor seems more powerful. Also, the horsepower of the car is exaggerated because you will blow the car apart running peak power all day. The tires, suspension, and radiators will not be able to handle it.
So, on the whole, I don't think Rad or any of the ebike companies are unreasonable. Neither the car or the ebike can run at peak advertised power all day. The maximum efficiency is about 80% (actual efficiency is probably worse). In the US, it means the 750 watts power consumption bikes are really like 600 watts or less.
For true continuous power rating, look at farm tractors. That is really an education. You have this big machine with a shovel in front, a backhoe in the back, extra weights and stuff, and the advertised power is like 55 hp. That is a more realistic hp estimate. I wish cars and ebikes are rated like tractors.
I mounted my Mini rack today, and it for sure slopes a bit. Caught my eye right away. Maybe by the time I ordered they were shipping a newer Expando version of the rack, different from the first one, but that's just wild speculation. Anyway, I'm glad I bought my Mini when I did. Having ridden wide knobbies on pavement before, I prefer the 3" smooth boaters. Glad of the front suspension, and the big display. The bolt-on Expando bell is not near as sweet as the integrated bell on the Mini, too. No buyer's remorse here. More like apples and oranges. Maybe the Expando is meant to knock the Lectric 2.0 off its pedestal.
Quote from: JimInPT on March 09, 2022, 08:07:13 PM
Quote from: Eric7 on March 09, 2022, 11:53:47 AM
1. Does anyone have an opinion on whether the tires are an upgrade or downgrade? I'll probably buy tires in 2023 but I am just wondering and taking notes.
2. It seems the rear rack is tilted forward (lower in the front of the rack, higher in the back of the rack) compared to a Rad Mini Step Thru rack which I own and which is flat in my eyes. It is just the picture?
3. I don't know why, but a speedometer is very entertaining to me even when riding a regular non electric bike. I'll miss that feature.
1. For me, the tires would be a downgrade; they look like the wider knobby Kendas that Rad used to ship on the Minis, but when I ordered mine they'd switched over to the CST Big Boats and I was bummed. Turns out, I'm perfectly happy with the CSTs - they ride quiet and handle much better than knobbies on pavement and packed-dirt trails, which is where I spend 95% of my time anyway. So for me I'm glad Rad switched, but I'm sure grass, sand and mud riders would prefer the knobbies.
2. Just a guess, but I would expect it to be the same rack as the Minis, mounted in the same location and should be level. A non-level rack design is not a good design IMHO. Maybe ask Ryan about it when he gets his review unit.
3. You can use a speedo app on your phone with GPS; it'll be bigger numbers and more accurate, but it looks like the original Mini LCD display will be available as a $99 option according to the eBikeEscape writeup. I'm with you; I couldn't stand one of those cheap-looking, uninformative LED displays.
I asked and was told (take it or leave it) by a bona fide Rad customer service person that Canadians (comme moi) cannot order from the US. Turning to your other questions, you might find that 500 watts is plenty. My own mini is no slug. Again, people may disagree. Folding the bike is easy. Carrying it is the hard part, since it weighs a lot. Cheers.
Quote from: Leafy2726 on March 13, 2022, 02:18:18 PM
Hello. I just did a test drive here in canada 500 W versus 750W , can I order from the US and get the 750W shipped? I guess its another stupid rule in canada? 500w. And how much is it a pain in the butt to fold and unfold this bike? I live in a walk up apartment. Second floor. Would there be anyway I could walk this up? Our bike room is a rats nest for storing and not even sure I would want to leave it there. Sorry for all the questions.
P.S I was pretty happy with my test ride, just wish the seat post was bit higher. I would have to buy a compatible, higher post.
In fact, my first thought upon unboxing it was how small it is, compared to photographs. Maybe it's a trick of eye, or maybe the product has "evolved".
Quote from: NaturallyRC on March 14, 2022, 06:54:15 PM
I mounted my Mini rack today, and it for sure slopes a bit. Caught my eye right away. Maybe by the time I ordered they were shipping a newer Expando version of the rack, different from the first one, but that's just wild speculation.
Rumours of the Mini's death are greatly exaggerated, maybe. One of the top ebike Youtubers says the Expand5 is meant to "augment" the Mini, not replace it. Possible that he missed an obituary somewhere (??) but I can't find evidence either. Cheers.
Quote from: JimInPT on March 14, 2022, 07:55:19 AM
That's true, but Rad has discontinued BOTH Minis in favor of the Expand5.
Quote from: NaturallyRC on March 15, 2022, 07:36:35 AM
Rumours of the Mini's death are greatly exaggerated, maybe. One of the top ebike Youtubers says the Expand5 is meant to "augment" the Mini, not replace it. Possible that he missed an obituary somewhere (??) but I can't find evidence either. Cheers.
Quote from: JimInPT on March 14, 2022, 07:55:19 AM
That's true, but Rad has discontinued BOTH Minis in favor of the Expand5.
I saw a Rad Expander5 ad on Facebook (because it knows I've been looking into ebikes), and the Rad Power representative did say in the comments that the Expand5 is meant to replace both mini's and that they are just getting rid of the inventory at this point. They also hinted at other folding options down the line without being specific. I can only assume it will be an Expand5 Plus or something with the Suspension and better screen back, basically a new version of Mini ST. I wish I took a screenshot of the answer, but didn't think of it at the time!
Last year the Mini ST and Mini were selling at $1300 or less (depending on sales). It must be Rad is not making enough money at those prices. Or else, why get rid of them?
Actually it wasn't an ad. Just go to their fb page and go to the post announcing Expand5 and read the comments. I attached the pic of the relevant comment
I am 6" with 30" inseam. I tried this bike last weekend. I liked it BUT even with the seatpost at the highest i don't think its good enough :( i actually think I had the post where it wasn't suppose to be.
Works for me. Thanks. Makes me glad I bought my mini when I did.
Quote from: Smackums on March 15, 2022, 05:49:38 PM
Actually it wasn't an ad. Just go to their fb page and go to the post announcing Expand5 and read the comments. I attached the pic of the relevant comment
When he states, with lack of irony, that the Mini has 'served for years' I have to laugh. Have product cycles become as short as that? I mean, I've been enjoying the Big Mac since 1970. ;D
Quote from: NaturallyRC on March 16, 2022, 06:14:11 AM
Works for me. Thanks. Makes me glad I bought my mini when I did.
Quote from: Smackums on March 15, 2022, 05:49:38 PM
Actually it wasn't an ad. Just go to their fb page and go to the post announcing Expand5 and read the comments. I attached the pic of the relevant comment
Quote from: NaturallyRC on March 16, 2022, 06:25:18 AM
When he states, with lack of irony, that the Mini has 'served for years' I have to laugh. Have product cycles become as short as that? I mean, I've been enjoying the Big Mac since 1970. ;D
Quote from: NaturallyRC on March 16, 2022, 06:14:11 AM
Works for me. Thanks. Makes me glad I bought my mini when I did.
Quote from: Smackums on March 15, 2022, 05:49:38 PM
Actually it wasn't an ad. Just go to their fb page and go to the post announcing Expand5 and read the comments. I attached the pic of the relevant comment
I know what you mean, I don't know how long regular bike models stick around, but with e-bikes, due to the tech, they can get away with more frequent iterations. Like a new iPhone every year. It seems Ebikes were at 36v batteries for a a while before all making the move to 48v and above. Battery technology improves yearly as well - more WH packed into smaller space, more cycles, safer designs, etc. Displays can change too, although Rad is using display tech from around 1995 so that doesn't apply here lol. Motors and controllers maybe less frequently, although the mid-drive is a relatively new thing (Doesn't apply to Rad either).
But a new model may not even always include upgrades - I think customer feedback and supply chain and other costs can force changes - like the Mini tires went through like 3-4 different iterations in a few years. 4 inch, 3.3, now 3, and the original 4 inch are now Kenda Krusades but used to be something else I believe.
I'm glad that Rad is supporting parts for a number of years though - people probably won't be upgrading to a new model with very small iterative changes, so it would suck if battery size (physical dimensions) changed every year and Rad didn't stock the older ones.
My next upgrade would have to feel like an upgrade. Basically battery or controller/motor improvements. I much prefer folding bikes so my options will be somewhat limited, and no one makes Uber powerful folding bikes yet.
I like your full response. And ditto on the next bike bit below.
Quote from: Smackums on March 16, 2022, 12:54:29 PM
My next upgrade would have to feel like an upgrade. Basically battery or controller/motor improvements. I much prefer folding bikes so my options will be somewhat limited, and no one makes Uber powerful folding bikes yet.
I had a chance to ride the Mini4 and Mini ST2 this past Sunday on trails, and also around town on some of the other days. I'd say they ride the same, I didn't notice a difference in feel/performance. I do notice that the little metal loop thing under the center of the frame (under the pedal area), which is designed to protect the bike's sensitive bits from touching the ground when folded, is lower on the ST2. It clipped the stairs a bit when I was wheeling it down a short flight, but no biggie. The bikes both fit perfectly into the craftsman 50 gallon tote from Lowes. They both also fit perfectly into a subaru impreza hatch, but so far we couldn't fit both bikes into the same car. The distance between the wheel wells just barely allows for the 2 empty totes to fit side by side in the cargo area, but no luck when the bikes are in the totes. Mostly it may come down to figuring out the handlebar situation, because those hang off the side of the tote. But it's not a huge deal, that would just be the icing on the cake if it works.
We did get wide aftermarket seats because my gf and I both didn't like the narrow/rough stock seats. The throttle is the greatest thing ever - as soon as you want some speed, or to quickly take off from standstill, or to get over a sudden climb/challenge in the road, the throttle is your best friend. In fact, I largely ignored the gears - just kept mine at 7. The only time I think I'll need gears is if tackling a prolonged steep hill, or a challenging off-road trail full of unpredictable obstacles and stuff. Basically the PAS and throttle essentially are my gears in a pinch, and way less clunky than having a chain readjust every time you need a boost of power!
My gf is 5' and was nervous/unhappy about the bike before riding it because she couldn't firmly plant her feet on the ground while sitting on the seat. She only has the balls of her feet/toes reaching the ground. It's a heavy bike and fully reaching the ground would make her feel more secure. However, after giving it a chance and spending a few hours riding all sorts of trail conditions, she quickly got comfortable and got over her fear. I should mention I cut the seat post by about an inch for her. At the shortest seat position the ST2 (not mini4, however) still had about an inch of the seat post protruding, which meant I could lower the seat by another inch. It helped a little but didn't fully bring her feet to the ground, so ultimately she needed the trail outing to become comfortable.
Which of course made me happy because I didn't want her to avoid the bike and never ride with me! So now we're both excited and will be exploring more and more trails and challening ourselves and the bikes!
The bikes are heavy but not so heavy that a single person can't lift it if needed. 2 people are better of course. But if you have to fold and place it into a tote and put the tote in the car yourself, you can do it (my gf can do it), unless you're really petite/weak, then just plan accordingly.
Oh and for the fun stuff - the thing hauls ass. It's a beast. It tackles paved and unpaved, it goes over grass, over tree roots, over any damn thing. It goes up hills, even ones with loose gravel on them, and it feels smooth and effortless when doing so. It's so much fun to ride I absolutely can't stay away from it - I wanna take it out somewhere every day if I could, even if it's just up and down my street just to get the day's stress off of me after work (and what a de-stressor it is!). I would highly recommend a mirror (which we will prolly get) if you're going to ride on the streets, however.
Quote from: Smackums on March 22, 2022, 07:16:55 AMIt's so much fun to ride I absolutely can't stay away from it - I wanna take it out somewhere every day if I could, even if it's just up and down my street just to get the day's stress off of me after work (and what a de-stressor it is!).
Sounds like you made the right purchase; that's great. Are you satisfied with the CST Big Boat tires on trails? I am, and was quite happily surprised at how well they handle off-road - like you I was sort of thinking I'd swap them out for knobbies, but after it arrived and a hundred miles later, that thought disappeared.
Same thoughts on the CST Big Boats. Plenty wide enough and way more efficient on the road. I'm getting much longer battery life after ditching the Kenda K-Rads. Also a few pounds lighter in tire and tube. I only wish they went up to 65psi.
The 4" tires on the Expand5 have to got to be absolute battery sucking slugs on pavement.
Unfortunately marketing keeps driving people twords these super fat tires without listing any of the drawbacks. I hope the CST's don't get discontinued.
So agree. I was overjoyed when ads showed the revised (final?) Mini with Big Boats instead of 4-inch knobbies, and I have not been disappointed in real life. They roll smooth on pavement, and are right at home on urban/suburban trails. Riders who need fat knobbies to negotiate their choice of terrain should be astride something other than a folding step-thru, to begin with, IMO.
Quote from: Radio Runner on March 22, 2022, 01:09:36 PM
Same thoughts on the CST Big Boats. Plenty wide enough and way more efficient on the road. I'm getting much longer battery life after ditching the Kenda K-Rads. Also a few pounds lighter in tire and tube. I only wish they went up to 65psi.
The 4" tires on the Expand5 have to got to be absolute battery-sucking slugs on pavement.
Unfortunately, marketing keeps driving people towards these super fat tires without listing any of the drawbacks. I hope the CST's don't get discontinued.
Oh yeah I love the CST big boats too! We decided not to get the 4" knobbies - I didn't run into anything the CST can't handle, and if I do, it's probably a place I typically wouldn't ride anyway like wet mud or pure sand or icy snow or something. I haven't lost traction anywhere, but I also ride it the same way I'd ride all-season tires in the snow - I don't accelerate/break/turn suddenly when in slippery or loose ground situations, I let momentum and a steady pace carry me safely through.
But I also really like the pavement performance (smoothness of the ride, easy on the battery, low resistance), and I think a lot of trails we will be going to will be at least partially (or fully) paved, because a lot of those trails will be "road bike" trails with beautiful views of the ocean and other nature, and not necessarily a mountain bike type situation, although the CST's didn't have any trouble with the latter either. So I love that they're basically like all-season tires - they're good all rounders, no real weak points, just don't expect them to be *fantastic* at any specific thing, and that's ok.
The cool thing is you actually can control a lot of that with how much you inflate them. So if I plan to have a specific terrain that day, I inflate accordingly and bias the tires towards performing well in those conditions. Most of the time I think I'll just keep them around 25psi or so, I think.
Edit: Also good point NaturallyRC - if I wanted a mountain bike, I probably should've gone for a mountain bike! If I wanted a road bike, well, there's the RadCity etc. But I like my bike because it's a great all-rounder, and the CST's I think are a good complement to that.
One question I had - how hard is it to change a bike tire yourself? Should I just take it to a shop, or is it pretty simple for an average person with some basic tools to do? I'm thinking of getting some extra CST tires just in case.
I wish there were a
like buttom, because yours is
the quintessential foldie tire answer IMHO. I have enjoyed fat(ish) K-Rads on my KONA Kula for ten years solid, but would never want them on my Mini. Especially that time I had to pedal the Mini home on -- I don't know what you call it but it's when you're down to one bar and the controller will only give you about 50 watts max.
Quote from: Smackums on March 23, 2022, 07:23:39 AM
Oh yeah I love the CST big boats too! We decided not to get the 4" knobbies - I didn't run into anything the CST can't handle, and if I do, it's probably a place I typically wouldn't ride anyway like wet mud or pure sand or icy snow or something. I haven't lost traction anywhere, but I also ride it the same way I'd ride all-season tires in the snow - I don't accelerate/break/turn suddenly when in slippery or loose ground situations, I let momentum and a steady pace carry me safely through.
But I also really like the pavement performance (smoothness of the ride, easy on the battery, low resistance), and I think a lot of trails we will be going to will be at least partially (or fully) paved, because a lot of those trails will be "road bike" trails with beautiful views of the ocean and other nature, and not necessarily a mountain bike type situation, although the CST's didn't have any trouble with the latter either. So I love that they're basically like all-season tires - they're good all rounders, no real weak points, just don't expect them to be *fantastic* at any specific thing, and that's ok.
The cool thing is you actually can control a lot of that with how much you inflate them. So if I plan to have a specific terrain that day, I inflate accordingly and bias the tires towards performing well in those conditions. Most of the time I think I'll just keep them around 25psi or so, I think.
Edit: Also good point NaturallyRC - if I wanted a mountain bike, I probably should've gone for a mountain bike! If I wanted a road bike, well, there's the RadCity etc. But I like my bike because it's a great all-rounder, and the CST's I think are a good complement to that.
Quote from: Smackums on March 23, 2022, 07:29:08 AM
One question I had - how hard is it to change a bike tire yourself? Should I just take it to a shop, or is it pretty simple for an average person with some basic tools to do? I'm thinking of getting some extra CST tires just in case.
It can be easy on a good day or extremely difficult on the side of the road, in tall grass, with the sun beating over your head or in the rain. The tools required are just some tire irons and strong hands and a good wrench to remove the nut holding the rear wheel to the frame. If you drop and lose a lock washer or a lock nut in the grass, you are so messed up.
Do you have a bicycle? Practice doing it on a bicycle wheel first in the air-conditioned or heated comfort of your home. Buy plastic "tire irons," maybe 2 sets because they are cheap. The metal tire irons scratch your rims. Then just follow instructions on youtube. If you mess up, then all you damage is a cheaper bike tire/wheel which you can bring to the bike shop to fix.
If all goes well, practice on the ebike. I think this is the best way to proceed.
I would not take my bike to any bike shop unless I know they are competent. For some models like the Rad Wagon, you are relying on the locknut and washer being in the right place. A bad bike shop will damage your bike if they are not careful. E.g., if the friction nut washer is not properly installed, if the torque arm is not right, power to the wheel may cause slippage and the rotating axle will turn and I could imagine it will do a job on our electric cable. Also, in connecting and disconnecting the electric connection to the drive wheel, you can damage the connector if you force it. I don't know what or how the Expand5 wheel is attached. If the battery is attached, an accidental screwdriver/brake cable on the connector can short the battery and maybe the controller. A competent bike shop would remove the battery. But you should never underestimate the creativity of incompetent people. Most bike shops have fine folks - I am just protective about my bike.
Quote from: Eric7 on March 23, 2022, 02:59:29 PM
Quote from: Smackums on March 23, 2022, 07:29:08 AM
One question I had - how hard is it to change a bike tire yourself? Should I just take it to a shop, or is it pretty simple for an average person with some basic tools to do? I'm thinking of getting some extra CST tires just in case.
It can be easy on a good day or extremely difficult on the side of the road, in tall grass, with the sun beating over your head or in the rain. The tools required are just some tire irons and strong hands and a good wrench to remove the nut holding the rear wheel to the frame. If you drop and lose a lock washer or a lock nut in the grass, you are so messed up.
Do you have a bicycle? Practice doing it on a bicycle wheel first in the air-conditioned or heated comfort of your home. Buy plastic "tire irons," maybe 2 sets because they are cheap. The metal tire irons scratch your rims. Then just follow instructions on youtube. If you mess up, then all you damage is a cheaper bike tire/wheel which you can bring to the bike shop to fix.
If all goes well, practice on the ebike. I think this is the best way to proceed.
I would not take my bike to any bike shop unless I know they are competent. For some models like the Rad Wagon, you are relying on the locknut and washer being in the right place. A bad bike shop will damage your bike if they are not careful. E.g., if the friction nut washer is not properly installed, if the torque arm is not right, power to the wheel may cause slippage and the rotating axle will turn and I could imagine it will do a job on our electric cable. Also, in connecting and disconnecting the electric connection to the drive wheel, you can damage the connector if you force it. I don't know what or how the Expand5 wheel is attached. If the battery is attached, an accidental screwdriver/brake cable on the connector can short the battery and maybe the controller. A competent bike shop would remove the battery. But you should never underestimate the creativity of incompetent people. Most bike shops have fine folks - I am just protective about my bike.
Thanks! I don't have a spare bike, but it's ok I'll just do my best with the ebike. And I agree about being a bit paranoid about bike shops - although there are a few in my area that are "partners" with Rad in the sense that when you buy a Rad you can pay $200 to have it sent to that shop and they will build it for you. It doesn't guarantee anything beyond that, but it does give me some comfort that they have experience with ebikes, and Rad bikes specifically. I do tend to be protective of the bike too, so I'll learn as much as I can and do what I can myself.
Quote from: Smackums on March 29, 2022, 10:24:38 AM
Thanks! I don't have a spare bike, but it's ok I'll just do my best with the ebike. And I agree about being a bit paranoid about bike shops - although there are a few in my area that are "partners" with Rad in the sense that when you buy a Rad you can pay $200 to have it sent to that shop and they will build it for you. It doesn't guarantee anything beyond that, but it does give me some comfort that they have experience with ebikes, and Rad bikes specifically. I do tend to be protective of the bike too, so I'll learn as much as I can and do what I can myself.
See this about another ebike.
https://electricbikereview.com/forums/threads/blix-vika-plus-trouble.29742/
" ... A few days after I got my first flat tire (on the hub motor) and I took it to a bike shop to fix it. When I got back the bike shop told me that the 9 pin circular connection between the motor and the controller appears to be melted and when I took the bike out for a ride it had trouble throttling. The bikeshop said that this is how the bike was when I got there and there was no way for me to disprove them. ... "
I decided to put slime (or any other brand) in my ebike tires. If I get a flat the slime will not fix, I'll take a cab or something like that home. I don't want to fix an ebike rear wheel flat on the side of the road. I commuted 5.5 years on a bike and probably repaired a flat 6 times on the side of the road in my life with a regular non electric bike. It is no fun. Difficult. Gets your hands all dirty. And doing it well and relatively fast, which I can do, proves nothing. If you can see the nail/cause of hour flat, you can even fix the inner tube without removing the wheel from the frame. I can do that too. But I got to the point in life where I don't want to fix a rear flat on an ebike on the side of the road.
Here is my RadExpand review. Hopefully it helps those considering it: https://youtu.be/qJZiFsO5Npo
LOL. You're THAT Ryan. Who knew? Your YouTube channel is one big reason (maybe the main reason) I bought a Mini ST sight unseen (I love it btw).
Quote from: Ryan on April 01, 2022, 06:48:41 AM
Here is my RadExpand review. Hopefully it helps those considering it: https://youtu.be/qJZiFsO5Npo
Quote from: NaturallyRC on April 01, 2022, 02:36:21 PM
LOL. You're THAT Ryan. Who knew? Your YouTube channel is one big reason (maybe the main reason) I bought a Mini ST sight unseen (I love it btw).
Quote from: Ryan on April 01, 2022, 06:48:41 AM
Here is my RadExpand review. Hopefully it helps those considering it: https://youtu.be/qJZiFsO5Npo
Ha, yes! Fun fact: my YouTube channel started as the "Rad Owners Forum" YouTube channel that ONLY focused on Rad. It has obviously expanded at this point and unfortunately that means spending less time than I'd like on the forum. Glad I could help you with your decision, that's the goal. And I try my best to be objective. I want someone to buy the best ebike for them whether that benefits me or not.
Cool!
Quote from: Ryan on April 01, 2022, 07:35:05 PM
Ha, yes! Fun fact: my YouTube channel started as the "Rad Owners Forum" YouTube channel that ONLY focused on Rad. It has obviously expanded at this point and unfortunately that means spending less time than I'd like on the forum. Glad I could help you with your decision, that's the goal. And I try my best to be objective. I want someone to buy the best ebike for them whether that benefits me or not.