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RadWagon 4 Kickstand Springs
jasonash:
Let me preface this by saying that I really like the new RadWagon 4. I received my bike on September 24 and since then I have put just over 50 miles on it.
Yesterday while riding to the post office, I heard a small pop and then a loud scraping sound. I quickly realized that the kickstand was dragging freely on the ground. I hopped off to see what happened and saw that the remaining kickstand spring had deformed so badly that it slipped out of its hole and there was no longer anything holding the kickstand up. Earlier in the week, I had found a deformed spring on the floor of my garage, but I couldn’t place where it might have come from, so I threw it on the workbench and didn’t think much more about it. Now I realize that the first spring had failed earlier in the week and the second spring finally gave way yesterday. Luckily, I was close to a store so I pushed the bike over and bought some zip-ties so I could at least make it home.
Here is what the springs looked like after failing:
Initially, I thought that maybe the failure could be due to poor quality springs, so I made a trip to Lowe’s to see if I could find some replacements. I ended up picking up a pair of these:
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Hillman-2-Pack-3-1-8-in-Zinc-Gate-Extension-Spring/3120573
When I got home, I put the new springs on and everything seemed to work fine, so I assumed that the problem had been fixed. Yesterday evening, I rode the bike with my daughter to the park, and before we made it a few blocks, one of the new springs failed. Luckily, we were able to make it home with the remaining spring, but it likely wouldn’t have survived much longer.
Here are the new springs after failing:
I took a closer look at how the springs attached to the kickstand, and I realized that this isn’t a materials failure, but rather an engineering failure. The kickstand is designed in such a way that the springs are over-extended and bent at an extreme angle when the kickstand is down. This leads to the spring ends deforming and eventually pulling out of their mounting holes:
Since the closest Lowe’s to me is ten miles away, I picked up an extra set of springs on my earlier trip. Knowing that the springs would likely just fail again if I put them back on the same way, I decided to mount them differently. I ended up wrapping some stainless-steel mechanic’s wire around the frame of the bike to create some temporary spring mounts. This allows the springs to hold the kickstand up while riding, and avoids the extreme bent spring angle when the kickstand is in the down position:
I will try this solution for a while, and if it ends up working well I will machine up some stays to take place of the wire.
I opened a ticket with Rad tech support, but I haven’t received any response.
Hopefully this will help others. I’m looking forward to seeing if this is an issue that others experience.
I am really enjoying this bike, but it is essentially useless without a kickstand, especially since I am using it mainly to haul my five year old daughter to school, the park, the grocery store, etc... Without a kickstand, it seems pretty dangerous for a kiddo to try and climb aboard.
Has anyone else had this issue with their new RadWagon?
wojtek-in-seattle:
Yes, I experienced the same issue with my brand new RadWagon 4. I had the bike assembled on September 26, 2020 and the springs deformed and fell off within the first week of very light use. I contacted Rad tech support and just yesterday 10/8 got confirmation of new springs shipment. In the meantime, I put the springs back on and cramped the ends a bit... Thanks for your investigation and photos. I will rethink my springs install. I'm happy with the bike otherwise.
jasonash:
I think I'll try crimping the ends over too to see if that helps. I considered doing this last night, but we just moved and my bench vise is buried somewhere in a mountain of boxes in the garage. I figured that Rad would just offer to send out new springs, but I don't see how this is ever going to fix the problem. I can only assume that any new springs they send will fail in the same way.
gopam:
I just became a new radwagon 4 owner today. I bought mine used (10 days old with 41 miles on the odo). This is great info! Thanks for the write up and the pictures. I'm going to look at my kickstand springs and keep an eye on this.
When I rode the bike home today I heard the kickstand banging & jiggling a bit on the road. When I got home I saw that one of the kickstand hex bolts was loose so I tightened it. I'm reading up on the forum now to see what else I need to check out too.
Thanks for posting about the issue and your detailed fix. Great stuff!
gopam:
--- Quote from: jasonash on October 09, 2020, 10:01:47 AM ---I think I'll try crimping the ends over too to see if that helps. I considered doing this last night, but we just moved and my bench vise is buried somewhere in a mountain of boxes in the garage. I figured that Rad would just offer to send out new springs, but I don't see how this is ever going to fix the problem. I can only assume that any new springs they send will fail in the same way.
--- End quote ---
Hey Jason I'd love to see what you decide on your final fix mod of the kickstand springs.
I checked out my RadWagon 4 after reading your post and getting it home tonight. I saw that one of my springs is missing and the other is failing and bent like you discovered. So I imagine that ALL of us RadWagon 4 owners will have this "spring fail" engineering issue like you anticipated.
I'm going to go to the hardware store and try and mimic your spring fix on my ebike tomorrow.
Here's a picture of my missing spring and the lone currently failing spring in full bent position.....
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